FORCE AWAKENS 95: What if the sequels were made in the 90s?

[00:00:00] JOSH: to Trash Compactor. I'm Josh, and today I'm joined by Fry

[00:00:06] FREY: Hello.

[00:00:07] JOSH: and Russ.

[00:00:08] RUSS: Hi.

[00:00:10] JOSH: And today we're gonna be doing Force Awakens, 95, the sequel, or the third in our trilogy of, uh, prequels 1986 and Rogue 1 77 thought experiments for what if these films were made at alternate times with different casts and directors.

And today we are doing the sequel trilogy. What if The Force Awakens came out in 1995? The Last Jedi came out in 1998, and The Rise of Skywalker came out in 2001, which would be an uninterrupted new Star Wars movie every three years since the original came out in 1977. which brings up a thought actually that I, that I was thinking about when I was coming up with my list and who might conceivably actually be cast in these roles.

by 1995, were seven movies in. I'm wondering, would Star Wars still have the cachet that it had or arguably has in the real world? Like when it's like a perennial thing, it's like, like clockwork every three years.

It's like, would it be like a James Bond sort of thing where it's like, a feather in the cap. It's still fun, but it's not necessarily something that you would do for your career. Like, I don't know, what do you guys think?

[00:01:19] FREY: Well, I kind of, I just due to the picks that I picked for my directors, I have to pretend that it still has cache because I thought about that for a second. I'm like, should I just pick like, you know, somebody who would be, not considered the most prestigious at, at the time? But then, know, like, just usually that'd be the kind of thing I'd like to do, but I couldn't really find any names that really I was like, interested in fantasizing about as if they made Star Wars.

So I kind of went with some more higher profile people. just makes sense for the mid nineties for some reason.

[00:01:47] JOSH: Yeah, that makes sense. Like a part of the fun of it is like the thought experiment aspect. So if you like, have to restrict the fun choices, then, then that makes sense. Uh, but yeah, I wonder if like, know, especially by this point, we would be thinking like how much, how many directors even would want to the latest entry in a long running franchise?

You know what I mean?

[00:02:08] FREY: Yeah.

[00:02:09] JOSH: like for our prequel thing, I think a name we were throwing around was David Fincher, cuz there was like a president for, his big break was the third entry in a sci-fi franchise in Alien Three. So it's like, oh yeah. Like I could see that. yeah. But anyway, let's get down to it.

So, the Force Awakens 1995 version of the Force Awakens. Who are our picks for? Who would play Ray?

[00:02:33] RUSS: Yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll jump in right here. Uh, Keri Russell is my choice for Ray. I have backups, but Carrie Russell would be my first choice.

[00:02:43] JOSH: that's a good pick. That's a good pick. So this is pre Felicity, right?

[00:02:47] RUSS: Yeah, and I'm, I'm skewing younger overall, but they're gonna grow into the roles and I think it's fine if everyone skews a touch younger for Force Awakens. I feel like in the nineties they would've gone a bit younger because of Luke's age. And Jedi, I feel like they're like, no, no, let's, let's try to bring in a little bit of a younger audience, a fresher audience.

Uh, cause I think, yeah, maybe there's some Star Wars fatigue at that time. And so maybe like, Hey, let's get some younger, bright faces that our audience can kind of grow with. Let's get some actors that are just about to explode onto the scene. So I feel like Carrie Russell is right there. So she'd been my ray, definitely.

[00:03:20] JOSH: That's a good pick Fry, what about you? Who's your Ray?

[00:03:24] FREY: Uh, Carrie Russell was actually like in my top, like three probably. Uh, but I'm gonna go with, uh, I'm gonna go with Tandy Newton,

um, who

[00:03:33] JOSH: Good pick.

[00:03:34] RUSS: ooh.

[00:03:35] FREY: probably most well known now for being in like Westworld. , but around the time. This would've come out, it would've been before the movie, Beloved, that Oprah Winfrey movie.

Um, but around that time, I think like maybe she was doing mostly like TV in England around the time. like she would've been like in her early twenties then. And, in the movie, beloved. And also I was looking at some like, interviews that she was doing around of time.

Like she, can do like affable, like, or she just comes, comes across as very affable. Like, um, so I think she could do that kind of caring and like kind and, uh, competent thing pretty well. But like, um, I think she would also give like a little, a little bit more of like an ethereal kind of quality to it that would not quite more edge, but like, um, like a little more, I think it would kind of serve the, the mystery I guess, of who she is a little bit more.

Um, cuz that's kind of, and a, and a move beloved that's sort of. something that her, like that's related to her character. Um, just like, so she should play somebody mysterious.

[00:04:36] JOSH: No, that's a really good pick. Um, I also like how, uh, so far, we are picking people who would later in the real world actually be cast in Star Wars films. Uh, cuz she was in, um, Solo.

[00:04:50] FREY: Oh, right. I told about that.

[00:04:53] RUSS: A lot of people did. A lot of people did.

[00:04:57] JOSH: Solo's great man.

[00:04:58] FREY: Yeah. I feel like it kind of feels better in my mind. Like I know if I watch it again, like I don't know if I'm gonna like it more or be reminded that like, I didn't like it that much. But yeah, I think, I feel like now I do like it. Just thinking

back on

[00:05:11] RUSS: first, third is solid, but anyway.

[00:05:15] JOSH: I think Solo is great. The only thing about Solo that I, , kind of lament is I would've loved to have seen, , the version with the original directors.

[00:05:26] RUSS: A

[00:05:26] FREY: Oh, right.

Yeah.

[00:05:27] RUSS: Yep.

[00:05:28] JOSH: Yeah. Like, just because I think. We ended up with a film that it seems to me played as a little safer in terms of like the Star Wars vibe and Star Wars format. And I'm really curious what , God, I can't believe I'm blanking on their names. Lord and Miller, right?

[00:05:44] RUSS: Yeah. The the Lego guys. Yeah.

[00:05:46] JOSH: yeah. The Lego guys.

I'm really curious. I'm really curious. Like what they were doing that was so scary.

[00:05:56] RUSS: I I bet it was awesome. I bet it was awesome.

[00:05:59] JOSH: I digress. My, uh, my pick for Ray is mini driver.

[00:06:04] RUSS: Ooh,

[00:06:04] FREY: I like that one.

[00:06:05] JOSH: She would've been like in 95. She was 25, so she would've been like 23, 24 when they shot it. So that's about, that's about right. friend of the show stall work guest.

Johnny, um, wished he could be here, but he sent some of his pics. he has, nev Campbell,

[00:06:23] RUSS: Ooh.

[00:06:23] FREY: Nice.

[00:06:25] JOSH: uh, CLE Duval.

[00:06:26] RUSS: Ooh,

[00:06:27] FREY: Oh wow. Yeah.

[00:06:30] JOSH: FARA

[00:06:31] RUSS: ooh,

man. I'd watch all these.

[00:06:36] JOSH: and, um, he has, Natalie Portman on here as well, who only would've been 13 at the time. I don't know that that

[00:06:42] FREY: Yeah, I thought about that, but

[00:06:44] JOSH: so that was

[00:06:45] FREY: that.

[00:06:45] JOSH: like she did the professional 94. So I don't know that she

[00:06:48] FREY: Right.

[00:06:49] JOSH: necessarily been on anyone's radar for the production of this 1995 Force Awakens, but I like where John's head's at.

[00:06:58] FREY: Yeah, but that makes sense because that was kind of one thing I was trying to go for is a, I was thinking if it's the character is going to be the same age that she is in the actual movie, it's like 19, right? Like,

[00:07:09] JOSH: Something like that. Yeah,

[00:07:10] FREY: I mean, like you can ca somebody can play younger, but then like if they're, if they're somebody that's well known and they've played roles that are like older than college age, already, like it's kind of harder to buy into that.

So like I think that's probably part of the reason why they cast like a relative unknown for the actual movie. And like, you would wanna do something like that.

[00:07:28] JOSH: for

[00:07:28] FREY: Somebody who is like at the beginning, very beginning of their career.

I throw out a few more? Cuz like I've,

this is like one where I have the most of Sarah Polly, who

[00:07:36] JOSH: Oh,

[00:07:38] FREY: I looked at, she was like acting like for 10 years at that point.

So I mean, like, she was like, she's actually a little bit younger than. The character would be like, she had been like 15 or 16 or something like that, but I feel like she's kind of got like a certain like maturity to it that would've been interesting. And uh, , you know, Tara Fitzgerald from the movie, like Sirens and like the Englishman who went up the hill, who came down a mountain, like she was kind of big English actress, like in the mid nineties.

[00:08:05] JOSH: No, how do you spell her name?

[00:08:07] FREY: Uh, T a r a Fitzgerald,

[00:08:10] JOSH: Oh, yes. Yes. She would've been good. So what? She would've been like 20.

[00:08:17] FREY: I think she's like a little bit older, but

[00:08:20] JOSH: Yeah. But she, she could play young. She looks like she could play young, so, yeah. No, that's good. And that's also like, definitely not a hu a very recognizable face with American audiences. So that's a good, that's a good picture. It reminds me of like, Daisy Ridley a little bit.

[00:08:38] FREY: Yeah. You know what it was, this would never happen. Um, but 95, what's the year that Rosaro Dawson wasn't kids? Um, and she was actually like a strong actor, like already at the point. So it would've been interesting to see her do, I mean that's like, I don't know how you get from kids too, Star Wars, but.

[00:08:58] JOSH: Well, no,

[00:08:58] RUSS: very informed casting director.

[00:09:02] JOSH: yeah, I mean, that is their job. Um, no. Yeah, I think, I think maybe a couple years, a couple years off in terms of timing, but that sh I mean, she would've been great.

[00:09:13] FREY: Yeah,

and also Kate Winslet would've been between heavily creatures and Titanic.

[00:09:19] JOSH: you know what, you're right. Kate Winslet, I think Kate Winslet, just jumped up to my number one. I think

[00:09:25] FREY: would be like, that's like one where I feel like the character would be very different than the Daisy Ridley Parisian.

[00:09:32] JOSH: That's true. Wow. So

[00:09:34] RUSS: I'm sticking with Carrie Russell. Sticking with Carrie Russell. I'm not getting, I'm not getting a sue.

[00:09:38] FREY: Yeah. I do like Carrie Russell. That's like, yeah.

[00:09:41] JOSH: No, Carrie Russell is good. Um, okay. Shall we move on to fin?

[00:09:46] RUSS: Yeah. Uh, I'll, I'll kick this one off, but I think I, I have, uh, my caveat is, in my head I've rewritten this film to be, uh, correct. So for me, um, uh, uh, yeah, Ray and Kylo are the Solo twins and, and young Anakin, the third, uh, child of Luke and of Hanen Lea, uh, are, that's the relation. Um, so that way Finn can be a love interest, uh, for Ray or not, doesn't matter either way.

Um, that I would've gone that way. It makes the most sense. They could have pulled what they wanted from the, from, you know, the, uh, At the time, expanded universe. Um, so with that in mind also, um, doesn't have to be a love interest. So I went one of two ways, if they're a love interest or if they're not.

So, uh, so a Finn is a love interest, uh, on picking Ryan Felipe, uh, as my fin. but,

uh, if not a love interest, cause I don't think they would've gone for a lesbian storyline. I would pick Aaliyah, uh,

[00:10:46] JOSH: Oh, I had, I have Aaliyah on my list.

[00:10:50] RUSS: my, my backup, uh, though, uh, if it, if not Ryan Felipe, I'd go, Omar Epps, um, that, that would be my backup at the time. Uh, so, so yeah. So those are cuz it, it really depends, like if it's Aaliyah, she didn't have to be a storm trooper. She probably wouldn't have been, she could have been an imperial officer of some type on the scene.

, at that moment. Uh, So, yeah, and I feel like back then they would've made sure if his dorm trooper would be, it could be the Ryan Felipe or Omar Epps, but yeah, that's me.

[00:11:18] JOSH: good picks. Fry, who's your Finn?

[00:11:21] FREY: Um, I meant to pick other ones, uh, or like lecture ones, but I'm gonna go with, uh, Jeffrey Wright. like, have you ever seen the movie at Basquiat?

[00:11:31] RUSS: Mm. Mm-hmm.

[00:11:32] FREY: the biopic would've been like, around that time. Um, just so if you've seen that you can envision like what he would look like around the time and also the, see he was in, uh, a couple episodes of the young Indiana Jones, ,

show. Yeah. So I feel like that could have been like the path to his casting.

[00:11:48] JOSH: interesting.

[00:11:49] FREY: was like one of the service roles.

[00:11:50] JOSH: Okay. All right. Um, my pick is Freddie Prince Jr.

[00:11:57] RUSS: Mm-hmm.

[00:11:57] FREY: Oh, nice.

[00:11:58] RUSS: Mm-hmm.

[00:11:59] JOSH: the Omar Epps. John had also picked Omar Epps or Mackay Pfeiffer. I think Omar Epps probably edges out for me. he also has on here, Matt Damon and Ben Affleck

[00:12:12] RUSS: Yeah, I mean,

[00:12:15] JOSH: though, I don't know though. When was Goodwill Hunting?

Wasn't that 97?

[00:12:19] FREY: But they were, they were in things at that time. They

[00:12:21] JOSH: No. Yeah, it's true. no. Well, yeah, I mean, that's another consideration, like along the lines of what I was saying earlier, this is the seventh entry in a long running, like perennial franchise. So like, you probably have to, you're probably more likely to get someone who's not a star yet, unless they happen to be like a huge fan and like, and just like, you know, want to do it for

something

[00:12:42] FREY: Matt Damon,

[00:12:43] RUSS: he's coming off school

[00:12:45] FREY: this,

[00:12:45] JOSH: Yeah, no, right. I was gonna say, it's like, yeah, we get, um, Matt Damon for Finn Ben Affleck for either Poe or KY Lore and mini driver is, Ray

[00:12:57] FREY: and

[00:12:57] JOSH: A. And then we might as, uh, yeah, now we can cast Robin Williams as, I don't know.

[00:13:07] RUSS: Yeah,

[00:13:07] FREY: says it like he does a style

[00:13:10] JOSH: Right.

[00:13:11] FREY: like

[00:13:11] JOSH: And he's animated and he can be animated instead of cg. He can be like, he can be like an animated character.

[00:13:21] RUSS: yeah, at the time, uh, Matt Damon was coming off of like school ties. He'd done some like TV movies, but yeah, he would be in the kind of the up and coming, uh, like not broken through yet.

Uh, so

[00:13:33] FREY: also in school ties.

[00:13:35] RUSS: uh,

[00:13:35] JOSH: Those guys just can't get enough of each other.

[00:13:39] RUSS: yes, he is, he's is Chest Smith is his character in school times?

[00:13:44] FREY: a Jesse Smith.

[00:13:46] RUSS: I had to say it. Yeah.

[00:13:49] JOSH: Oh yeah. No. Okay. I like these ideas for Finn. Um, let's move on to Poe. Who's our, who's our Poe? Russ, do you want to go?

[00:13:57] RUSS: Yeah. I only have one choice. Paul Walker.

[00:14:00] FREY: Wait, so this would've been like Tammy and the T-Rex era?

Paul Walker,

[00:14:03] RUSS: Yep. Yep.

[00:14:04] FREY: yeah. That would've be good. Yeah,

[00:14:06] RUSS: I mean, he, he's, he's, uh, I I see his future trajectory. It, yeah. He's, he's Poe also, Poe wasn't supposed to live past the first film. Uh, he was supposed to be a little bit, bit player. And I'm going in my, my head cannon of the better corrected version of Force Awakens that he does die. So he is like, eh, whatever.

He's just a cock cocksure pilot and boom, done. So, yeah.

[00:14:26] FREY: Oh, yeah.

[00:14:27] JOSH: Okay. Fry, who's your, who's your poe?

[00:14:30] FREY: Um, I'm gonna go with John Cusack

[00:14:34] JOSH: Really?

[00:14:34] FREY: this Yeah,

[00:14:36] JOSH: Wow.

[00:14:37] FREY: it kind of completely changes the character because he is definitely the Sigma Mail version of, uh, of Poe.

[00:14:45] JOSH: Wait, did you say, did you say Sigma Mail? Sorry, maybe I haven't, maybe I've been not spending enough time on the internet lately, but what is, what is Sigma Male denote?

[00:14:57] FREY: It's like a, um, an alpha without like a, like a lone wolf kind of like, it would be an alpha, but like, he doesn't give a shit about being an

alpha. So he is kind

[00:15:07] JOSH: Oh wow.

[00:15:08] FREY: the corner being

[00:15:09] RUSS: Kind of a confident, confident, cool kind of, uh, only relies on himself. Yeah.

[00:15:15] FREY: yeah,

[00:15:15] JOSH: a James Dean sort of a

[00:15:18] FREY: yeah. But like, so, but he could still be cracking jokes. He could still be cracking jokes with the, with the gang. Kinda like pod by, especially by like, rise of Skywalker. But like, it would be a little bit less genial. Like it would be like in a little lot more sarcastic, but he could still,

[00:15:37] JOSH: I'm getting

[00:15:38] FREY: this is a, this is like, think of like gross point blank, John Cusack,

[00:15:42] JOSH: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I see it. Um, so my pick for Poe It presumes that the character, he is a mainstay of the films and is, you know, one of the trio not, originally to die off, but, uh, will Smith instead of Independence Day, he does, he does this, but I guess in the spirit of the, he gets killed off after the first scene.

Um, I guess Harry Koch Jr.

[00:16:13] FREY: I was just gonna say he would, he would've been, he would've been the Harry of Wigs.

[00:16:20] JOSH: Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[00:16:24] RUSS: That's

[00:16:25] JOSH: Um,

if anyone in the audience doesn't understand why that's funny, go Rent Independence Day or not Rent Stream. I don't know how you, how you do

[00:16:32] FREY: Go get the go. Get a tape. Go get a tape of independence today.

[00:16:38] JOSH: Um, So some of, John's picture for Poe, he says these people are, are older than Ray Finn and Kyla Ren, but must register as younger than the original Star Wars main cast. He's got, uh, Benicio Del Toro on here.

[00:16:50] FREY: I actually had that on the list too.

[00:16:52] JOSH: He's got Lou Diamond Phillips on here.

[00:16:55] RUSS: Ooh, I like

[00:16:56] FREY: Nice. Actually. Yeah, actually we like that one.

[00:16:59] JOSH: he's got Matthew McConaughey on here,

[00:17:02] RUSS: Yeah.

[00:17:03] JOSH: Christian Slater.

[00:17:05] FREY: I have Christians later.

[00:17:07] RUSS: I think, I think John should be a casting director. Set him back in time.

[00:17:13] JOSH: he also, he also has Will Smith, but in parentheses, if he can cope with not being the star, uh, which was a concern of his at the time though, that said in Independence Day, he is a part of an ensemble. So I think given the right material or something that he really wanted, to do, I feel like the character of Poe as the hotshot, like Han Solo ish pilot, I feel like he would've potentially, been down, to do it because like, they would've been casting this in like 93,

so I don't know.

But yeah, no, all good names.

[00:17:48] FREY: One more you McGregor.

[00:17:52] JOSH: Um,

[00:17:53] FREY: would've been like right before train spotting.

[00:17:55] JOSH: no, and also like, he would've gotten in the pilot seat right after his, his uncle Dennis Lawson, who played Wedge in the original trilogy would've been a closer, uh, a closer lineage.

[00:18:07] FREY: That's actually weird. That would've been weird if that happened.

[00:18:10] JOSH: Yeah. That would've been weird. Um, What about, uh, Kylo Ren, my friends,

[00:18:17] RUSS: Uh, uh, real quick, I just wanna stick this in there since I corrected the film. Uh, there's the character of Young Anakin, uh, the, uh, third, uh, child of Han and Leia, and that would be played by Joseph Gordon Levitt. Uh, so moving on, um, Carlo

[00:18:31] FREY: Nice.

[00:18:32] RUSS: um,

so for Kalo Run, um, I had a few choices like, uh, I think DiCaprio was already out of range and, uh, Heath Ledger, but I think Jared Lito, uh, I would, uh, coming off of my so-called life,

[00:18:47] JOSH: That's perfect.

[00:18:49] RUSS: which actually reminded me, uh, I actually wanted to, if it wasn't Aaliyah, I'd also say Claire Danes as Finn because I think her energy to contrast Carrie Russell could have been a really interesting, uh, partner dynamic, um, of those two.

Cause I want Finn to be for sensitive and ultimately become a Jedi like Ray. So I feel like those two with very different personality types, uh, would be good. But yeah, the, my so-called Life Connection, uh, Jared Lito, uh, as Kylo Rens, I think he has the dark energy and we've seen that in other films.

[00:19:18] JOSH: That's a good

[00:19:19] FREY: that's a good one. I actually considered Claire Danes for array at one point.

[00:19:23] JOSH: No. Yeah, so did I actually, I don't know why I didn't mention her, but, yeah.

[00:19:27] RUSS: on the young side, I think, but yeah.

[00:19:29] JOSH: Well, how old was, um, how old was Daisy Ridley?

[00:19:32] FREY: She was like 21 or something like that. I think she was

[00:19:36] RUSS: Yeah.

[00:19:37] FREY: born in 93,

[00:19:39] JOSH: she was

[00:19:40] FREY: might have

been like 20, 20 or 92,

[00:19:47] JOSH: so Force Awakens came out in 2015. They were shooting it in 2014,

so she would've been 22. Yeah. Right.

[00:19:58] FREY: but yeah, Clara would've been, cause I think she was like 14 or 15 when she did like my so-called life. So she would've been about that age.

[00:20:05] JOSH: Yeah. Get a little, a little too young, I think, for her to realistically have been cast, though I mean, I could buy it. so who's our,

[00:20:16] FREY: I'm not happy with this one, but Christian Bale.

[00:20:19] JOSH: Oh, that's actually not a bad pick. I like it. I

[00:20:23] FREY: Yeah. after Fresh off of Swing Kids.

[00:20:28] JOSH: I'm actually not thrilled with mine either, but, um, Keanu Reeves,

[00:20:33] FREY: Yeah. Actually, yeah. You know what? That would've been interesting because did he play. Anybody like that at that point, who's all kind of

[00:20:42] JOSH: don't, I don't think he had, I mean, I'm just thinking of like, Johnny Monic is that, is that time. And I don't know, like I, I was just kind of thinking maybe One of those opportunities where like he just may have wanted to stretch his range and also like done a Star War.

[00:21:04] FREY: Yeah, but also like I feel like a lot of the colorants dialogue is pretty terse and like he does well

with that,

especially when he is talking to Ray.

[00:21:13] RUSS: of Force Awakens ultimately, uh, Kylo, you know, you know Ben, Ben Solo, uh, comes around earlier. Um, and, and is, you know, or, or, or not dark sided at all, actually, in my version, I don't know. Um, so yeah, I, I think it's good cause he has the lightness of, of being, and I think, I think, uh, Kiana works really well for that.

[00:21:33] JOSH: Interesting.

[00:21:34] FREY: Yeah.

[00:21:35] JOSH: Johnny's got some good ones. Steven Dorf.

[00:21:37] FREY: Oh yeah. I do like that one.

[00:21:40] RUSS: I like

that

[00:21:41] JOSH: he, uh,

[00:21:42] RUSS: right?

[00:21:44] JOSH: uh,

[00:21:45] RUSS: Wrong dof or No,

[00:21:47] JOSH: Yeah, I think wrong Dof. I think you're thinking, I think you're thinking

[00:21:51] FREY: No, Stephen Doff is, I think he's pretty short, isn't he?

[00:21:54] RUSS: it's a DOF

[00:21:54] JOSH: I

[00:21:55] FREY: a, he's a

[00:21:56] JOSH: I gotta, I gotta look this up, Stephen. Okay. Google. Stephen Df height chat? G p t. Is that what we do now?

[00:22:06] FREY: look alive Google.

[00:22:09] RUSS: but I'm talk, we're talking Tim Conway. Right? That's

[00:22:14] FREY: He's short and, and on golf.

[00:22:16] JOSH: well this is sensitive territory for me because Stephen Doff is my height. He is five eight.

[00:22:24] FREY: Oh, well no, I feel like that's a lie. I feel like that's Pan. I feel like he's like five, six.

[00:22:30] JOSH: what, what are you basing this on? Like the,

[00:22:33] FREY: feel like, cause he's, I feel like

[00:22:35] JOSH: at the coffee shop or what?

[00:22:37] FREY: I've seen in movies like standing next to other people and he is like, Hey.

And he is also just kind of got the proportions of somebody who's five six.

[00:22:47] JOSH: okay.

[00:22:49] RUSS: Set a tall guy.

[00:22:53] JOSH: Yeah. Said a tall guy. Um, John also has an interesting one Fara Balk again, who was, um, one of

[00:22:59] FREY: Oh, that would've been so cool.

[00:23:01] JOSH: picks for, Ray. But I think, if we're, not sticking to male, I think she's got that, kind of immature sort of,

[00:23:09] FREY: Yeah. Oh man, that's really

[00:23:12] JOSH: darkness there. Yeah.

[00:23:13] FREY: That's who I was trying to, that's like the kind of quality I was trying to find, but I wasn't smart enough to look outside of men like bell

[00:23:20] JOSH: Yeah.

[00:23:21] FREY: and I'm like, why can't I find this?

[00:23:23] JOSH: he also has, Josh Hark.

[00:23:24] FREY: Yeah.

I'm like, that would've been like, didn't he make his debut in like 98?

[00:23:31] JOSH: Yeah, I think, well, he was in the f uh, the faculty

[00:23:36] FREY: Right. That and, and, uh, Halloween, H two O, same year. I think H Twoo was the first one that was released and he had got like an introducing credit.

[00:23:43] JOSH: Oh, I, I did not know that. Um, okay, uh, let's move on to, do you wanna do Hucks Orno next?

[00:23:50] FREY: Well, I don't have a, I'm just my, is Robin Williams?

[00:23:57] JOSH: I like it. Okay. So let's do Hucks.

[00:24:00] RUSS: Uh, so I have a few here. Um, I think, I think my Hucks is either Guy Pierce, or I can never say his name here, but, uh, David S Stray. Stray Stray.

[00:24:11] FREY: Oh, yeah,

[00:24:13] JOSH: Oh,

[00:24:13] RUSS: Uh, he,

yeah,

yeah. I, I think, I think, I think David Stra stra David s I think he's gonna be my, uh, my.

[00:24:23] FREY: I like that.

[00:24:25] JOSH: no, I like that too. I was thinking, um, either, Paul McGann or Richard E. Grant from, uh, with Nail and I,

[00:24:32] FREY: Oh,

[00:24:32] JOSH: either one of them,

[00:24:34] FREY: Oh, I like how you shifted like Richard B. Grant, just like an interesting role shift there

from,

[00:24:39] JOSH: right from, the same basic. He basically plays an older version of that character in Rise of Skywalker. so, so if you just like rewind 30 years or so, or 20 years, I guess. No. 25. I don't know. I can't do math. Um, John, he also has Richard E. Grant. He has, Tim Roth, who I

[00:25:00] FREY: Oh,

[00:25:00] JOSH: I think would've been

[00:25:01] FREY: mine. Yeah.

[00:25:02] JOSH: Yeah. I think Tim Roth would've been good. and Robert Carlisle, Johnny Lee Miller. And you and McGregor

[00:25:09] FREY: Oh, generally Miller is a good one.

[00:25:11] JOSH: Johnny Lee Miller is a good one.

[00:25:13] FREY: hucks, this is one where I had like a lot of them, so I'm just gonna share like a few of them.

Like, uh, uh, John Hawks,

um, um, Kurt Wood Smith, you know, like from that 70

[00:25:24] JOSH: oh, interesting.

[00:25:25] FREY: So, cause like,

[00:25:26] RUSS: Rob Robocop

[00:25:27] FREY: Like, because it, right. Like if he, he could have been like starting out

[00:25:31] JOSH: Bitches leave.

[00:25:31] FREY: top character and then he turns into red and,

[00:25:37] RUSS: Great character.

[00:25:38] FREY: and, uh, Xander Berkeley. I don't, he's like kinda a

[00:25:41] JOSH: Oh yeah. Xander Berkeley would've been good for Hucks. So, so are we saying Hucks is like, a little bit, a little bit older than he was, uh, portrayed in the, the movie

[00:25:51] FREY: I think so. I guess if you wanna get, well no, this would've been even younger. I have Sam Rockwell on here

[00:25:55] RUSS: I would've gone older myself. Ooh. Oh,

[00:25:57] JOSH: Sam

Rockwell's a good

[00:25:59] RUSS: good, you know?

[00:26:00] JOSH: yeah, I don't know. I don't know who I like. The most out of all these, there are some good picks in there. Um,

[00:26:05] FREY: Tim Roth is pretty good.

[00:26:07] JOSH: yeah, Tim Roth is good. He also has the accent going for him to, maintain the continuity of all the, bad guys having,

[00:26:15] FREY: Yeah.

[00:26:16] JOSH: accents. Um, so shall we do snow?

[00:26:21] RUSS: Yeah, I got a, I got a number one for Aoke, uh, Robert Edlin.

[00:26:25] JOSH: Ooh, good one.

[00:26:27] RUSS: I, I feel like he's, he's someone, uh, comfortable in makeup, prosthetics, uh, playing, playing evil, but also like, I feel like he would've brought like a really unique, , flavor. Cause like you're, you know, it's gonna be an in-person character. It's not, you know, it's gonna be a real human, not cg.

Um, I feel like, and he kind of has that look. He doesn't even need to be made up very much. I, you know, for that character per se. I saw Daniel de Lewis in the mix.

[00:26:53] FREY: What

town?

[00:26:54] JOSH: if he would've done it. How do you, how do you method, act as, how do you method, act as a, whatever he was.

[00:27:00] RUSS: I'd like to see it.

[00:27:02] FREY: Yeah,

[00:27:04] RUSS: You're, you're a space. You're an evil space wizard.

[00:27:08] FREY: and somebody quote made you.

[00:27:18] JOSH: No, yeah. I like that pick. Just cuz I would like to see how a method actor of his, of his stature would handle that, that acting challenge. I would like to, it's like he, he probably would've like, shadowed, like. A dictator from a, a former Soviet Block Nation.

And like, like I, I don't know, I don't know where my mind is going on that one. Um,

[00:27:40] FREY: No, you're probably, that's probably about right.

[00:27:42] JOSH: I don't think I could do better than, uh, Richard Edlin. I think it's the, the right match of like genre familiarity, stature look, , having played similar kinds of characters I'm sold on, on Richard Lin. I think that's, I think that's great. Um, fry, what about you? You got some snakes?

[00:28:01] FREY: No, I was like trying to, I didn't, I didn't, I forgot to pick one for him, but like, just now, I was trying to think, uh, like I keep on, what's the guy from, uh, he's on Fringe and he's also on Lord of the Rings.

[00:28:14] JOSH: uh, John Noble.

[00:28:15] FREY: Yes. Yeah. I don't know what he would, what, what he was doing at NI mid nineties, but like somebody like him, that's how I was. Just like, somebody who's like, kind of like, can do that disgusting, like, uh, like eating something like an

[00:28:28] JOSH: Yeah.

[00:28:28] FREY: like that kind of a deal,

[00:28:29] RUSS: That's a good pick. Yeah, I

[00:28:31] JOSH: no. Yeah, that is a good pick. know who I just thought of? William B. Davis, who was the cigarette smoking man in the X-Files.

[00:28:38] FREY: Oh yeah. Yes. That's, he pretty much

[00:28:42] RUSS: Yeah.

[00:28:43] JOSH: Yeah, that's pretty much,

[00:28:45] RUSS: Yeah. Yeah. I, I think this is a reminder to our audience that they should all rewatch the X-Files,

[00:28:52] JOSH: Yeah, but stop after season five Stop after the movie. grudgingly, I will admit there are a smattering of worthwhile episodes in season six through nine. But, um, I would watch, this is not an X Xbox podcast, nevermind, um, go watch everything and make your own judgments.

That's, that's always my advice. I'm watching anything. Um, so John has some interesting choices for Sno Key as Gary Oldman,

who, who I think would've done it if it was a voice. I don't know if he would've done it or, maybe he would've pulled a Hannibal and like, been under so much prosthetic and just not,

[00:29:29] FREY: I was,

[00:29:30] JOSH: a credit.

[00:29:31] FREY: I was just gonna say like it would it like iPic, I'm picturing a cross between his Hannibal character and his fifth element character.

[00:29:39] JOSH: Wow, that's tricky to reconcile. Um, no, well, that's true actually. And maybe that's where John was coming from because, um, yeah, fifth element is, you know, kind of like a French Star Wars basically. so yeah, maybe that's what he had in mind, but, um,

[00:29:58] FREY: You know, going back a little bit, one of my other callant was, was Gary Oldman, because like, you forget, like at the time he was like 36, 37. He's like, and, and

[00:30:08] JOSH: He could have skewed younger.

[00:30:09] FREY: yeah, fairly like handsome, younger guy. Like, and I, I always think of him as being like 50 years old, but in the nineties he was

[00:30:16] JOSH: No. Yeah. Like, I'm even thinking of him as, um, you know, Uh, like when I think of nineties, Gary Oldman, I think of two things. I think of Lee Harvey Oswald and J f K. Um, and I think of the main, terrorist in Air Force One

[00:30:31] FREY: Oh

[00:30:31] JOSH: and

[00:30:32] FREY: And the, and the professional.

[00:30:34] JOSH: Oh yes. And the professional, of course. Yeah. So, but that's wild though. Like, like if you think of Gary Oldman in the Professional and Gary Oldman in jfk, like those, those two characters seem way more than three years apart. It's like his Lee Harvey Oswald's, feels young

[00:30:51] FREY: Yeah.

[00:30:52] JOSH: and, and, his character in The Professional, you don't get those.

He's a, he's a good actor. This Gary Oldman, I hope he gets some work. some of John's others are, Christopher Kelston, who I could see potentially doing it. and Ray Fines.

[00:31:10] FREY: Oh yeah. Refines the good.

[00:31:13] JOSH: and I have one that I, I didn't send in the list I sent out, to you guys, but there's a character, that appears at the beginning of the fourth Awakens and only two scenes. lorson Teca, who's played by Max Van Sido. who I think is just really an excuse like, to get an older actor to lend some gravitas, to the movie.

So in that spirit, the 1995 equivalent of Maxon Chow, I'm thinking is either, a cameo from, from Peter Roto, Anthony Quinn.

[00:31:44] RUSS: Hmm.

[00:31:45] JOSH: I think maybe Anthony Quinn edge out Peter Rool if, if I were the casting director. But, um,

[00:31:51] FREY: I literally like Anthony Quinn cuz that would've been, he's like a different kind of gravitas than, than Max, uh,

[00:31:57] JOSH: yeah,

[00:31:58] FREY: gruffer, I guess.

[00:31:59] JOSH: and as you mentioned, off air, fry, he was fresh off a cameo and Less Action Hero.

[00:32:05] FREY: Yeah,

[00:32:07] JOSH: so maybe that's like what, what his agent , was booking him for, at the time.

[00:32:11] FREY: also been in a pool in this one for some reason.

[00:32:16] JOSH: Yeah. My client's only doing gigs that are one day shooting and he must be in a pool.

All right. Um, do we have any Maz Kanatas?

[00:32:28] RUSS: I mean, one person came to mind immediately and then I had a checkout, uh, Estelle Getty. I was like a hundred percent Estelle Getty, but that she died in 92.

[00:32:35] JOSH: Oh, how

[00:32:37] FREY: Oh man.

[00:32:37] RUSS: but I had a backup immediately. Ready? Uh, Zelda

Rubenstein.

[00:32:41] FREY: Oh, nice.

[00:32:42] JOSH: Who's,

[00:32:43] RUSS: Yeah. Uh, from

[00:32:45] FREY: From Poltergeist,

[00:32:46] JOSH: Oh,

okay.

[00:32:49] RUSS: a per, like, she doesn't even have to do anything. Maybe, maybe a tweak less Southern, but Yeah, like, like, like she could

[00:32:54] FREY: Yeah.

[00:32:54] RUSS: a human. She's also very, very small. I believe. So. Like she's a perfect choice to play. Uh, Maz

[00:33:02] JOSH: I like it. I like it. it's too bad that, um, Estelle Getty wasn't available because she would've been,

[00:33:09] RUSS: Oh, a

[00:33:10] FREY: So she

died. She died right after sophomore. My mom, when she would come out, came out

[00:33:14] JOSH: no, I guess so because, I was like, movie killed her.

[00:33:20] RUSS: Oh, wow. Stop. Where my mom would shoot. Oh, my mom will shoot was 1992.

Yeah.

[00:33:26] FREY: Was it like, was it like dedicated to her?

[00:33:32] JOSH: fry. Do you have any Maz Kanatas?.

[00:33:34] FREY: Um, Francis Stern Hagen she's like, the sheriff's wife in Misery. she's actually been in, she was in the department Raising Kane. Um,

[00:33:42] JOSH: Okay.

[00:33:43] FREY: I feel like,

cuz I don't know, I was trying to pick that vision now that like Russ is good cuz it can actually play like Zelda Rubinstein or Estelle Getty if she was alive.

Like they could've just had like a little bit of makeup on him. So I, cause I was trying to envision like how they would do the character and I figured either way, if she was physically playing it, like that could work potentially, but she could also just do the voice cuz she's got kind of a, elderly wise voice, just kind of naturally, even though she was like younger than she's still alive and she was like younger at, at the time, she was only in her sixties, but she came across as older.

[00:34:13] JOSH: No, I like it. My. so, because I think the idea for Maz Kanata was that she was sort of like a Yoda like character. So I'm thinking she's a puppet. And the, likeness was inspired, by Estelle Getty,

[00:34:28] FREY: that

makes sense.

[00:34:29] JOSH: w uh, with, the voice, uh, by, the, I believe Vietnamese woman that, was a lot of the basis for the Ewok language.

she'd like smoked like three packs of cigarettes a day since she was five. And she had like a really, really interesting, voice according to Ben Burt. Um, let's move on to Captain Fama.

[00:34:52] FREY: All right. I'll go with, I'll go with Grace Jones.

[00:34:55] JOSH: Grace Jones.

[00:34:56] FREY: She's like, tall, like statues, like, uh, black woman that was in what

[00:35:00] JOSH: Oh, oh yeah, right? Yes, yes, yes. Right, right.

[00:35:04] FREY: that's funny is at the, so I looked up what she was doing movie wise at around 95, and she was in this like, very low budget, movie called Cyber, I think Cyber Bandits, like, sorry, Robert Hayes in it. And like, uh, I looked at the trailer and her character actually has like a Masada, costume.

Basically. these like goggles, like on her head. I'm like,

[00:35:23] RUSS: I know what I'm watching later.

Oh, wow.

[00:35:25] JOSH: Yeah, she was in, she was in a VI to a Kill The Bond movie,

uh, that

[00:35:29] RUSS: Yeah.

And the, the second Conan film.

[00:35:32] JOSH: yeah. I think of Vi to Kill Was that the last of the Roger Moores?

[00:35:36] FREY: Yes,

[00:35:36] JOSH: when I did my James Bond rewatch, at the beginning of Covid, I found A View to a Kill much more enjoyable than its reputation. I think it deserves a, uh, reevaluation. Um,

[00:35:47] FREY: Yeah. Isn't like Christopher walkin the villain

[00:35:49] JOSH: yeah.

Yeah.

Uh, Russ, do you have a Fama?

[00:35:56] RUSS: Yeah. Uh, I don't know where this came from, but I said Rob Lowe.

[00:36:01] JOSH: Rob Low for. Okay. I like it.

[00:36:04] RUSS: I, I dunno why I feel like, I feel like I see him playing a character, uh, with, with a, uh, some sort of, like, a little bit of a Napoleon complex, uh, chip on a shoulder. yeah, I don't know. It just, uh,

[00:36:18] FREY: I like your, your vision here.

It was like, this would be, this would've been like Tommy Boy era, Rob Low.

[00:36:23] RUSS: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A little, little, a little unexpected, but I feel like, you know, get 'em in, get 'em in that chrome.

Let's do it.

[00:36:30] JOSH: Um,

speaking

[00:36:32] RUSS: Yeah.

[00:36:32] JOSH: speaking of Tommy, boy, if, uh, to go back to Hucks for a second, if we're going with that like younger Weasley thing, we could do a David Spade. You throw David Spade in there.

[00:36:43] FREY: would've been great if Chris Farley played Pride.

Um, like

[00:36:49] JOSH: right. If it's, if it's if, uh, David Spade is Hucks and then Pride is, is Chris Farley later.

[00:36:53] FREY: and he ends up having a shot like Chris Farleys.

[00:36:57] JOSH: uh, well, John's, Fama, he has three, uh, Carrie Ann Moss, which was mine,

[00:37:02] FREY: Oh, nice.

[00:37:03] JOSH: Gina Ghan and Femke Jensen,

[00:37:07] FREY: Yeah, I had Pem Con Janssen, um,

[00:37:09] JOSH: uh,

[00:37:09] RUSS: that's a great choice.

[00:37:11] JOSH: yeah, she was in, um, at this time I think, uh, she did Golden Eye.

[00:37:15] FREY: right.

[00:37:16] JOSH: so, yeah. So, so that's, uh, that's interesting. That's, uh, the second, James Bond villain, uh, pick for fsma.

[00:37:22] FREY: Oh, right. Yeah.

[00:37:23] JOSH: Yeah.

[00:37:25] FREY: I had a couple other, Gina Davis, it would've been funny.

[00:37:27] JOSH: Yeah. Yeah, Gina Davids would've been funny.

[00:37:30] FREY: Sigourney Weaver.

[00:37:31] JOSH: yeah, I feel like that would've been wasted on Sigourney Weaver's towns. Like, might as well cast her as like Ray.

[00:37:41] FREY: What about Lucy Lawless who didn't like

[00:37:43] JOSH: perfect. She would've been perfect. Yeah. She would've been perfect for Ray. I mean, for, uh, Ray, uh, uh, I mean, maybe, but, uh, uh, for Fama, yes. A little Zena warrior princess in there.

Um, do we have any thoughts on Director for Force Awakens 1995.

[00:37:59] FREY: Uh, I'm gonna go with Jonathan Demi

[00:38:02] JOSH: Wow.

[00:38:03] FREY: so like, this is, we were talking about this before, like the, doo like somebody who's less established or kind of like more of a b movie director. But let's pretend for a second that Jonathan Demi is gonna do this after, uh,

[00:38:17] JOSH: Silence of the Lambs, yeah. After winning an Oscar.

[00:38:20] FREY: and, and Philadelphia and then like before Beloved. Um, but I feel like that kind of, mixed handy Newton like a little, it make more sense cuz she had up work with him twice. But I just feel like, his style, like depending on the script, like he could kind of. Potentially like kind of capture the original Star Wars kind of like sense of like funded adventure, but like nineties style.

Like, but so it wouldn't be a complete rehash kind of like Force Wakens actually is if like, maybe even if the script is that like it would be kind of a little more disguised and they're, because if you think before Silence of the Lambs, he did, like, he did some comedies and he is got kind of a very like, humanist touch, I guess.

Like the, uh, even before like there was like something wild like a couple comedies before that, that I think, I don't know, that would've been interesting. But also it's mainly just because I think that the, if assuming the Han Solo, death scene is in there, uh, like kind of as is like his closeups were, the camera doesn't look into the camera would've

been worked out pretty well there.

Yeah.

[00:39:22] JOSH: Nope. Well, that, well, so that's interesting. So, so a thought that just occurred to me, which was not my pick for director, but if we're going like, probably wouldn't have, but there are justifications that you could make for this thought experiment. Uh, Brian De Palma, because he was friends with George Lucas.

he famously ripped the rough cut a new asshole, and then as an apology, he rewrote the opening crawl for Star Wars. And in this period, I guess where like the Untouchables right. Is around here and

[00:39:56] FREY: Yeah.

[00:39:56] JOSH: Oh, really? Is that 87?

[00:39:58] FREY: Yeah.

[00:39:59] JOSH: I thought it was early nineties. Okay. Okay. My bad.

[00:40:01] FREY: It looks

[00:40:02] RUSS: he,

[00:40:02] FREY: it looks like a

91

[00:40:03] RUSS: Carlito's way in 93

[00:40:05] JOSH: okay.

[00:40:06] FREY: Yeah. And then Mission Impossible.

[00:40:08] RUSS: Mi

[00:40:08] JOSH: Right. And then, right, and then, and then Mission Impossible. Um, and then I'm also thinking he did that like Mars movie sh uh, shortly after this time. So he's like, he's like, not a verse to sci-fi. Like, don't, what is that movie called? I hated that movie.

[00:40:24] RUSS: Uh, mission to Mars in 2000.

[00:40:26] FREY: there's that in the like Red Planet, uh, with Val Kilmer over this kimbo at the same time,

[00:40:30] JOSH: right. Yeah. Another one of those volcano. Dante's Peak, Armageddon, deep impact in bro's. I don't know if I used that word properly. I don't think it did,

[00:40:42] FREY: like

you

[00:40:42] JOSH: like the way it, yes, I like the way it rolls off the tongue. Thank you, imbroglio. Um, Russ, do you have any directors for Force Awakens 95?

[00:40:50] RUSS: I'm still throwing my hat in for Catherine Bigelow. Like, I'm, I'm gonna get her making a Star Wars movie. Like, I don't know how long it's gonna take, it's which trilogy it's gonna be, but she's doing it.

[00:40:59] JOSH: my real, uh, pick for a director is Frank Marshall. Who was, the other half of, the Kathleen Kennedy, Frank Marshall producing duo, I believe they're married, and Frank Marshall, produced, Jurassic Park and, the Indiana Jones Films and directed the 1995 film Congo.

[00:41:18] FREY: Oh, right, right.

[00:41:19] JOSH: so if we are going in the other direction of like, not the caliber of a Jonathan Demi or a friend, like a, Brian d Palma, know, giving your longtime producer collaborator, a shot at directing the seventh entry in a franchise that is, you know, unsinkable, I'm thinking, instead of Congo, we'll give him Star Wars seven.

The Force Awakens.

[00:41:44] FREY: really good. Along those, actually, I forgot too many, like the alternate one that I had, which is kind of more like in that mindset, uh, of Frank Oz.

[00:41:53] JOSH: Yeah,

[00:41:54] FREY: reminded what he said, Frank Marshall, cuz he, I think he produced, uh, this movie that like the,

[00:42:00] JOSH: Uh, return

[00:42:00] FREY: the same year out.

Yeah, yeah, right. Um, but I was thinking of ending in the cupboard cuz it would've been the

[00:42:07] JOSH: lean in the cupboard. Sorry. No, yeah, that's what I was

[00:42:09] RUSS: PLA

[00:42:09] JOSH: He did the Indian in

[00:42:10] RUSS: I like that movie.

[00:42:11] JOSH: uh, which was the first film, I believe, since Return to the Jedi to have a live action, Darth Vader

[00:42:19] FREY: yeah. And like there was, I was watching a YouTube video recently, Corridor Crew, like they were kind of marveling at the special effects movie, like the, like, cuz there was like really good mini, they do really good miniatures in that. So it was done, you know, it was like obviously island, so. I feel like that is the, out of all the movies that Frank guys directed, cuz he did a lot of like the Jim Hanson stuff and, uh, but that's like the one that has the most like Star Wars e special effects and like, so he would've been, I guess, kind of closest to directing something like a Star Wars right around that time.

[00:42:50] JOSH: I think that's actually a really good pick. Um, and I wanna correct myself, uh, Frank Oz did not direct Return to Oz. I'm thinking of Walter Merch, who was, you know, the famed, film editor and also did sound design for, Apocalypse Now and, uh, T HX 1138. And I don't know if he did it for American Graffiti, but he edited The Conversation and I believe he edited The Godfather and I mean, he's like the editor's editor basically, but yeah, he directed, Return to Oz, I think was his feature debut. Um, so yeah, maybe Walter March may have directed one of these.

[00:43:28] RUSS: Have another connection though. Return to Oz. Starring, uh, FARA Balk as Dorothy.

[00:43:33] JOSH: Hey. Okay. Maybe

[00:43:34] RUSS: we're we're there. Yeah. Fara balk is start starting to edge up to, uh, front runner here for

any role. Put her

[00:43:42] JOSH: We're circling something.

[00:43:43] FREY: I like how, like among all this we can kind of suss out like a, a movie that could have conceivably happened. Like if this was the

reality of

like,

[00:43:52] JOSH: Exactly. Um, okay, those are, uh, that's everyone from the Force Awakens, which is the bulk of the casting. Is there anyone that I left off, or, or any names that, you guys to throw in the ring for either any of the characters or directors or even like a special effects sequence?

[00:44:11] FREY: I was trying to think of, you know, how like they, the guys from The Raid, the Indonesian action movie, like had that

cameo. I was trying to like think of who it would've been like if there was the same type of thing that happened, because I guess they helped the choreographer in the movie and that's how, and then they were like, Hey, do you wanna role while you're here?

Do you wanna have this role? Like it, would it be like Donny yen

[00:44:32] JOSH: yeah. That's what I was about to say. Yeah. That's interesting. okay, well let's move on to, the new characters in The Last Jedi. Do we have any, Rose Ticos?

John has a good one. Melanie Linsky, who's on Yellow Jackets right

now, but she

was in, she was in, Heavenly Creatures.

[00:44:52] FREY: Yeah,

[00:44:53] RUSS: I like that. I would, I had one, um, uh, Robin Tunney.

[00:44:58] FREY: that's

[00:44:58] JOSH: Oh, that is a good one.

[00:45:00] RUSS: So, so we're also connecting back to, uh, FARA ba again through the Craft with, uh, Robin tco. My backup would be, also, uh, uh, Rachel Tru from The Craft. And then my third was Katie Holmes. A little bit on the young side, though.

[00:45:15] JOSH: Oh, interesting.

[00:45:17] RUSS: But it'd be fun to have like, like a young mechanic, like, like, she's like way too young, but she's a mechanic and like, like wants to get in the action.

Like, no, no, no, you stay back. She's like, no, I don't wanna get in there. I think that'd be kind of fun.

[00:45:26] JOSH: okay, well

now

[00:45:27] FREY: Seven?

[00:45:28] JOSH: you've got my head in Empire Records. I'm thinking of, um, how come, how come nobody said Live Tyler for Ray.

[00:45:36] FREY: Oh

[00:45:37] RUSS: she, she was on my, my, my c tier of that list, but yeah, she was, she's bouncing around a little bit.

[00:45:43] JOSH: So, so I'll throw, uh, uh, live Tyler in for Rose.

[00:45:49] FREY: Nice.

[00:45:50] RUSS: Yeah. Katie Holmes might be out because I think her first thing was the ice storm in 97.

[00:45:55] JOSH: Yeah. A little too young. So maybe she could be the sister, uh, with no lines.

[00:46:00] RUSS: Well, I, I think you throw Liv Tyler in some, not coveralls, but more like overalls, like I'm in, like that's, yeah.

[00:46:06] JOSH: Yeah. Like that's what I'm thinking, like I'm thinking.

[00:46:08] FREY: right. Yeah. I don't know why You're right that it is supposed to be, it should be coveralls with her, but you're right.

[00:46:13] RUSS: Yeah.

[00:46:15] JOSH: Um, do we have, any Admiral Hodo? Is she a Vice Admiral? Vice Admiral Hodo?

[00:46:20] RUSS: Hmm.

[00:46:21] JOSH: don't know. Um, played by Laura Dene in the, uh, the actual film. Uh, uh Do we have any holds?

[00:46:29] RUSS: Yeah, I got, I gotta say, so fried doesn't steal my, my answers, um, uh, Elizabeth Shu would be probably my first choice.

[00:46:38] JOSH: Oh,

[00:46:38] FREY: that's a good one.

[00:46:39] JOSH: interesting choice. I like it.

[00:46:41] RUSS: and my backup is, uh, Mary Elizabeth, uh, uh, um, master Antonio. Yeah.

[00:46:47] JOSH: Yeah, she's on, uh, she's on John's list.

[00:46:50] RUSS: Yeah. John knows what's good.

[00:46:53] FREY: I'm gonna go the opposite direction of like the tall, tall woman. I'm gonna go with Holly Hunter

[00:46:59] RUSS: Ooh. Ooh, that's good. Damn. Alright. That's really good.

[00:47:04] FREY: Commanding, commanding Welsh being short.

[00:47:08] RUSS: Ooh, I love that.

[00:47:11] JOSH: mine was Helen Hunt.

[00:47:13] RUSS: Ooh.

[00:47:13] FREY: yeah, it's good.

[00:47:15] RUSS: her.

[00:47:16] JOSH: Yeah.

Helen Hunt is my, is my Vice Admiral Hodo. Um, John has some great ones. He's got, he's got Angela Bassett, Michelle Yo, who hadn't yet done tomorrow, never dies.

but, may have, oh yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. So, so, uh, I was saying the last Jetta has 1998, so she would have done, , tomorrow, never dies.

[00:47:41] FREY: she was like a star, like not in English or uh,

Hollywood

[00:47:47] JOSH: yeah, no, no, but I'm just thinking in terms of like, uh, like mainstream Hollywood, um,

[00:47:52] RUSS: She wouldn't yet be known to the world like, like the, like the Hollywood side. Yeah.

[00:47:56] JOSH: Right. So like, so like choosing, to do a film like this at that moment in one's career is like a, is like a choice. Um,

[00:48:06] FREY: I have a couple, uh, oh, he's,

[00:48:09] JOSH: uh, no. John is a lot, uh, Sigourney Weaver,

uh, Francis McDormand, Gina Davis,

[00:48:15] RUSS: Yep.

[00:48:17] JOSH: Maggie Chung,

[00:48:18] FREY: Oh, didn't have that one.

That's good.

[00:48:21] JOSH: and also Thefor mentioned Mary Elizabeth Maton, who, um, should have been in more things. So,

[00:48:26] RUSS: Oh

man. Yeah.

[00:48:28] JOSH: Yeah.

[00:48:28] FREY: Um, outside Glen Close

[00:48:30] JOSH: Glen Close

[00:48:32] RUSS: Yeah.

[00:48:32] JOSH: close is good.

[00:48:34] RUSS: I like that a lot.

[00:48:35] FREY: and Angelica Houston,

[00:48:38] RUSS: Yeah.

[00:48:38] JOSH: Oh, yes, that was actually, yes. I, your, I had thought of Angelica Houston. She would've, I think she would be perfect.

[00:48:45] RUSS: You guys are on fire. That's great. That's inspired.

[00:48:49] FREY: and also Susan, uh, Susan,

[00:48:51] JOSH: Susan Sarin, of course.

[00:48:53] RUSS: yeah.

These are great choices. Wow. Put them in a Star War. All right.

[00:48:58] JOSH: Um, do we have any DJs,

Benicio Deltoro character, um, fry, would you like

[00:49:05] FREY: Um, I have a few, I'm gonna go with, uh, Jennifer, Jason Lee.

[00:49:11] JOSH: Ooh, nice. I like it. I like it. Russ have the, any DJs?

[00:49:17] RUSS: Yeah, I was gonna do the, the, the, the classic, uh, right back at you Benicio Deltoro as dj. Um, cause I think he was coming off the usual su uh, the usual suspects at the time, so he

would've been in the, in like, like enough of a name, like, oh, hey, check this guy out. Um, yeah.

[00:49:36] JOSH: yeah, that was also mine and was also, one of John's, uh, John's other one was, Lori Petty,

who, who, who I remember most from a League of their own and, uh, from Tank Girl.

[00:49:51] RUSS: yeah. Tank, tank girl is exactly what I'm thinking That came out, uh, 95,

[00:49:55] FREY: yeah.

I have some other DJs.

Nick Nolte,

[00:50:01] JOSH: Oh, that would've been great. I wanna see

that.

[00:50:04] FREY: yeah, uh, Bruce Campbell that May, I just thought of

[00:50:07] RUSS: Ooh.

[00:50:08] FREY: of him and Jason j Jennifer, Jason Lee, guy in Hu proxy. So once I thought of her, I thought of him.

[00:50:14] JOSH: no, yeah, that would've been great

[00:50:16] RUSS: You're hired.

[00:50:17] FREY: Christian Slater.

[00:50:19] RUSS: Okay.

[00:50:19] JOSH: Christian Slater would be good. Yeah, because like you're thinking about this character, he's like, he's like, he's gotta be someone that you're not sure about, but also he delivers the goods and then also sort of turns on you and like, and stings you at the end. So it's like, it's that whole arc from someone who's like, what is with this guy to Oh, he just fucked this really bad.

[00:50:43] FREY: Yeah, but I like how, like, mostly depending on like the, like for a number of factors, but like how old the, the actor is that have played him like that, that like, that could go, there's so many different flavor, different flavors to like what you can be like. Um, cuz uh, also Albert Brooks,

uh,

Michael Michael Keaton

[00:51:02] JOSH: Michael Keaton.

Oh my God.

[00:51:05] RUSS: oh. All

[00:51:06] JOSH: Billy Crystal. Oh my God. I want to see the Billy Crystal. I actually, I actually do have to say I think Michael Keaton cuz I think one of the things with, the character and, getting Benicio Deltoro, I think, and this is me completely hypothesizing and projecting, but I think, you know, one of Ryan Johnson's motivations for casing was like, I just wanna have a Benicio Deltoro in my Star Wars movie.

Like, why not? Uh, so, so, uh, so I have a feeling that like someone very well, could have said the same thing. Like, I want, I wanna get Keaton in my Star Wars movie, or something like that. I mean, or even like hell, uh, uh, let's go with, uh, Christopher Walken.

[00:51:48] FREY: Yeah. Yes.

[00:51:49] RUSS: I, uh, I came up with a, a genre reau, uh, as, as a, as a turncoat, which he, which essentially he does in like most of the films he, he's in. Uh, so I feel like he was kind of a na, a natural fit. The film that popped in my head just now was a Steve Buschemi Thinking back to Reservoir Dogs as well, uh, is kind of like, you really can't trust this guy.

Also, Fargo, like everything he's in, like, he's just really don't trust this guy.

[00:52:13] FREY: I think I had Buschemi on. Yeah, I did on my HX list,

[00:52:17] JOSH: Oh, um,

[00:52:22] RUSS: I'd watch that show.

[00:52:24] JOSH: the Hux list. Uh, uh, yeah, it's on the

Star Wars universe or James Spa. Oh. Uh, speaking of James Spader, uh, Russ, uh, someone on the original trilogy.com forums. posted recently, they were really, taken with your casting for James Spader as the young OB one Kenobi. It was, there was inspired, inspired casting on, on your part, I forgot to mention to you.

[00:52:49] RUSS: Oh, screenshot that for me. I need that on the wall. J because you're still in feather feathered hair. James Spader era. It's like, uh, it's perfect. It's perfect. He's Spader Prime. Uh, you can't beat that.

[00:53:03] JOSH: Uh, for the benefit of our listeners, go check out our episode prequels 1986 to, uh, uh, to hear some of our other, uh, prequel recasting from the 1980s. Um, okay. Uh, do we have any directors for the last Jedi? 1998

[00:53:19] FREY: I've got another one that's Animal of Jonathan Demi that's like, it wouldn't really happen, but it would help Russ's casting with Katie Holmes through the ice storm cuz uh, Ang

[00:53:29] JOSH: Ang Lee.

[00:53:30] RUSS: Lee. Yeah. You know what I, I'm really, I love The Ice Storm. Yeah. I'm, I'm

[00:53:35] FREY: I don't think it's like a perfect fit in every way, but like, um, I just think that like a lot, his movies tend to be like, have a lot of like, family and like kind, kind of cross generational themes, which would kind of work for this, the, the premise of this entire trilogy as a whole.

Um, and I feel like I was trying to think of better directors from around the time that would kind of ha just kind of, I feel like you would kind of do okay at handling, um, the themes that like Ryan Johnson kind of brought to Lash. She, I, uh, that more like kind of humanist like approach. Um, I don't know if he would be good doing the darkness though, or I mean, I guess it's not a super dark movie, but

[00:54:15] JOSH: Well, yeah, like that. And he also, um, with a lot of his later movies, showed a willingness to, really work with Cutting edge special effects, technology, uh, you know, I'm, I'm thinking of, the Hulk. I'm thinking of, life of Pie. I'm thinking of, uh, oh God. There's one that I'm leaving out.

[00:54:34] FREY: this is the movie that he met Nick on. That's why he is in the Hulk.

[00:54:39] JOSH: right. Oh yeah. I forgot to No, in the Hulk.

Um, uh, mine is, uh, Mimi leader who,

who in, in 1998 did, uh,

[00:54:49] FREY: Deep impact.

[00:54:51] JOSH: yeah. Uh, deep Impact. uh, for similar reasons, I think. She would really get into the beating hearts of these characters in a way that, that I think that, I think, I know not everyone shares this, but I think, um, Ryan Johnson did. And I think it's, um, uh, you know, she was, um, for better or worse, I think this was the time when she was at a point in her career where she would've been considered for something like this.

[00:55:18] FREY: Yeah, actually I really, this is an awesome pick.

[00:55:21] JOSH: John had, um, either Luke Bessan or Sam Ramey.

[00:55:25] FREY: Oh,

nice.

[00:55:26] JOSH: I mean, if he would've done it, I mean, I don't know. He, he strikes me as a guy who, who might not, want, to do a major franchise film, but I mean, who knows. Um, the other

one

[00:55:36] FREY: mean, John Reno's playing dj, so,

[00:55:39] JOSH: Yeah. Right. No, that's true. That's true. Um, the other one that I just thought of was, um, who directed Alien Resurrection? That, um,

he was French, right?

[00:55:50] FREY: jump, perk.

[00:55:51] JOSH: Yes, yes. Um, maybe Pierre, you know, would've directed. he could have directed, last Jdi 98 instead of, instead of Alien Resurrection.

[00:56:02] FREY: Yeah,

[00:56:02] RUSS: I could see, I could see that, you know, and I, I have to say, going back, um, Fry's, uh, choice for Demi really works. Cause if you think about it, you know, uh, David Lynch, uh, does the elephant man, you know, and get then gets tapped for, uh, Return the Jedi originally. So it's really in, there's like a tradition of like making a great film, winning an award, and, making a star or potentially making a Star Wars film.

So I think it's in, it's in the universe cannon that Demi would be, uh, a prime choice.

[00:56:30] FREY: And also you gotta think if, if they're like, this is going on at this point, like, uh, the third into like a third decade of this, like consistently. So assuming that's these movies are being released like theatrically, like they must be something along like James Bond, where like people are still into like, they're, they're either, I mean, they're either a direct video or they're like still something that, like a hot property that people wanna get involved in.

[00:56:56] JOSH: Well, the interesting thing about the James Bond example is that, they went kind of the other way in terms of directors. Like they, sort of had a staple of like James Bond directors and, like they direct Bond movies and not really anything else. Like, you know, very famously Steven Spielberg begged to direct a James Bond movie, but, uh, they didn't want someone of his stature because, they wanted to be able to sort of,

not micromanage, but like, they didn't want someone who would, like have too much of an individual unique voice,

[00:57:26] FREY: Is, it's funny cuz like me and Mile Like They, James Bond movies did tend to just kind of like model any given entry would've like model, like whatever is popular at the time. Like Moon Raker comes after Star Wars. Like, so like they, they do wanna rip off those things, but they don't want the actual people that are making it come in.

Like,

[00:57:45] JOSH: Yeah. Right, right. uh, no, those are all, uh, really interesting choices. Is there anyone for Last Jedi in 1998 who we, uh,

[00:57:53] FREY: um, well director the other I would, Steven Summers would've been my other way to go with it. The guy that did The Mummy and Deep Rising,

[00:58:01] JOSH: Oh yeah. No, that's a good, name for that.

[00:58:04] FREY: oh, you know what, that was my other, another PO who is Brennan Fraser.

Uh, like he would've. Actually, yeah, I guess that does, that could have worked because I mean like he would have to get to Mummy level, Brenda Frazier earlier, but like, because I think that's kind of after, Encino Man, and like he was doing movies then, but like, and I think maybe that could've worked cuz like he would've, depending on how much these movies are trying to take list after at this point.

Like he could be the type of actor right then that would do a lead role in one of these.

[00:58:33] RUSS: I got a

weird one.

it is probably a mismatch for, for directing, uh, characters. But, uh, Michael Bay still coming off music videos and not having yet made Bad Boys in, uh, 1995. So, so he would be like

[00:58:46] JOSH: So you're thinking, so you're thinking for the Less Jedi in 98 or for, for the Force Awakens.

[00:58:51] RUSS: after Bad Boys. I feel like he, he goes into The Rock, like I feel like he's, maybe The Rock is the proving ground that makes them think that he can direct, The Rise of Skywalker.

[00:59:03] JOSH: Well, that's interesting. Yeah. Um, I forgot to mention John's , picks for director for Force Awakens, 1995. Michael Bay was one of them. And also, uh, Roland Emrick, who

would have, I guess, directed this instead of Stargate or maybe right after Stargate, cuz Stargate comes out in 94.

[00:59:20] FREY: right.

[00:59:21] JOSH: So,

[00:59:22] FREY: yeah, either,

[00:59:24] RUSS: As long as you don't touch my Stargate, we're fine. Leave it alone. I need my

spader vehicle.

[00:59:30] JOSH: Right. I was gonna say, speaking of James Sp and, um, yeah. Okay. So let's, uh, let's move on to Rise of Skywalker. We have General Pride. Jenna and Zuri Bliss are the new characters, ] , that we have yet to cast. So, um, do we have any general prides?

[00:59:48] RUSS: I wa I was boring here. Uh, Gary Alman was my general pride,

uh, choice.

[00:59:54] FREY: um, Terrence Stamp

[00:59:57] RUSS: Ooh.

[00:59:59] JOSH: That would be, yes. I like it. I'd like it.

[01:00:02] RUSS: That's good.

[01:00:03] FREY: and I feel like there is a movie, uh, The Real McCoy that came out like in 93. I feel like he should have the hair that he has in that cuz he is kind of like, he's balding, but he is got like kinda the long, long white hair kind of on his shoulder. Isn't that?

[01:00:15] JOSH: uh, mine is, um, Tom Baker who played, the fourth, Dr. Who,

[01:00:21] FREY: Oh, yay.

[01:00:22] JOSH: this is a really long walk for, for a ham sandwich here. But, um, it's sort of like, I'm thinking similar to the character. He was a part of the empire, so he sort of, his glory days are behind him, but he still has like the commanding presence and, he's sort of, he's really, he's really over this and he's annoyed that he has to even, be serving alongside these, these youngins.

Um, that's sort of my, uh, my rationale there. And also I just think. the Tom Baker should be in everything. So, um, do we have any Janice, who is I guess the love interest? Uh, it's, it's, it's sad that that's, how I, I think of the character, but she's just like a love interest for Finn. Um,

[01:01:07] FREY: Uh,

[01:01:08] JOSH: an ex Stormtrooper.

[01:01:09] FREY: yeah, you know what, like, um, I actually have, I have a few for this, but, uh, Laurie Petty for this one.

Um, just cuz Yeah. Like it would've been tanker or, or era. Lori Petty.

[01:01:22] JOSH: so maybe, um, okay. Pamela Anderson.

[01:01:25] FREY: Yeah.

[01:01:27] RUSS: Oh, wow. I went a totally different direction.

[01:01:29] FREY: I wanted to be played by both Bo Petty and Pamela Anderson in different switches at some point.

[01:01:36] JOSH: Russ, who was your pick?

[01:01:37] RUSS: so I went with Jessica Alba who'd be coming off Camp Nowhere.

[01:01:41] FREY: Camp Nowhere.

[01:01:42] RUSS: so, so, so, so she's, uh, she's, uh, 12, but I feel like, uh, she, she seems like she projects a little bit older than that. And then also, uh, like having like a young, like, ki kind of similar to that young character from Solo, that that's like leading, like that resistance group.

[01:01:58] JOSH: no. Yeah, it's sort of like a child soldier,

[01:02:00] RUSS: yeah.

Yeah. And I,

yeah, and, and I see, I, I feel like she has, she has the, uh, The acting chops at a young age. I, I feel like that might've been nice. A good character for, to, to step into.

[01:02:13] JOSH: No, I like that. I like that. I was also thinking Aaliyah for this one.

[01:02:17] RUSS: Mm, mm-hmm.

[01:02:18] FREY: Oh, nice.

You know, um, I just wanna go back to General Pride cuz I did have one other other one because when I hear general Pride, I think Pride. I think of Jonathan Price.

[01:02:30] JOSH: Ooh, that's perfect. That's perfect. Yeah, no, I love me some Jonathan Price. No, that's okay. I like that. Um, Zori Bliss, who was played by Keri Russell in of Skywalker 2019, who would've played, Zuri Bliss 18 years prior in 2001?

[01:02:47] RUSS: Marissa tome.

[01:02:49] FREY: Oh, nice.

[01:02:51] JOSH: That's a good one.

[01:02:52] RUSS: Yeah.

[01:02:53] JOSH: That's a good one. I'm sold.

[01:02:56] RUSS: There's only one name. Cause I was like, well, I just cast Carrie Russell and I have to, I have to like, so basically now I'm seeing Carrie Russell is playing, like, in her, in her, uh, later years is basically playing like what I'm considering like a Marissa tome role in, in her current, like acting career in a way. It's my weird, my weird Russ version of things.

[01:03:18] FREY: Nice.

[01:03:18] JOSH: No, I get what you're saying. fry, what about you?

[01:03:22] FREY: Um, this one's I feel like pretty obscure and I do have a, like, a kind of a backup that's a little more recognizable. But for now, uh, Katherine Car, uh, cartilage, W who is a, she was like, she actually died in like at the age of like 41 in like 2000, 2001. But like throughout the nineties she was in like a few Mike Lee movies, uh, including like Naked with David Phis and she was in the LAR Ranger, her movie, uh, Breaking the Waves,

[01:03:49] RUSS: uh, oh.

[01:03:49] FREY: as, as, um, Emily Watson's like, uh, sister.

And she's just got this kind of like, really subdued, but like, sort of mystery style. And I feel like she could, um, in a way that's not distracting and kind of convey like a pretty deep like kind of character and a backstory for, for, Zli. Like, um, and I could see it like if they went away with like, you just see your eyes.

She's got pretty expressive, like unique eyes. So,

[01:04:14] JOSH: No. Yeah, I'm, I'm looking at her now. No. Yeah, no, that's a good pick. Why was she , top of mind for you? Was it from Naked or?

[01:04:20] FREY: actually, it was from breaking the Waves, like I was just kind of like, yeah. for some reason for this character, like I was trying to think of somebody who, not like, unfortunately because she did die, like, but like not a like, and never became like, ended up been doing a lot of roles cause she died young and like, never became like, critically well known

as like a.

As a film actor, so like, I dunno, I, I, I feel like for this character, like, it's more interesting, like the, it was like a little bit of like sun casting in the actual movie and like, it would've been more interesting if it was like an actual actor that kind of blends into the role, but like really stands out.

You're like, who the hell

[01:04:55] JOSH: No, I like that. I like that. I'm gonna go the other direction. I just got, uh, an idea as you were talking, but, um, Meg Ryan, in my mind, she's, she's kind of the, the Carrie Russell equivalent. Like, 2019. Carrie Russell is like 2001. Meg Ryan, for some reason

[01:05:15] FREY: Yeah.

[01:05:16] RUSS: I can see that.

[01:05:18] JOSH: I think their ages are like, are similar. Like they're, they're at that time, like early, mid forties. and yeah,

it is, it is kind of like stunt casting. Um, so Johns list, he has, Ashley Judd,

[01:05:32] RUSS: Ooh,

[01:05:33] FREY: Oh, nice. Yeah.

[01:05:34] JOSH: uh, Jennifer Lopez,

[01:05:36] RUSS: okay.

[01:05:37] JOSH: Gina Garon, and Maria Bellow.

[01:05:40] RUSS: Huh,

[01:05:40] FREY: Oh yeah. Those are all really good.

Rio Bellow I like a lot.

[01:05:44] JOSH: And so who are we, who were we pairing her off with? So, uh, this character, her big thing was she was, uh, former lover of poe. So,

[01:05:54] FREY: Well, it's gotta be John Cusack.

[01:05:57] JOSH: it's gonna be junky, said, um, yeah, I'm thinking. Will Smith and Ashley Judd Will Smith and I don't know. I don't know. Uh, who do we have for directors for, rise of Skywalker oh one

[01:06:14] FREY: um, this is another long chat one. Peter Weir.

[01:06:18] JOSH: Oh, I, I would kill to see a Star Wars by Peter Weer, but

[01:06:22] FREY: Yeah. Cause I feel like he would handle Ray very well. Um, any, I feel like I, he would do that and he would, assuming last Jet is pretty much like, as it is, I feel like he would kind of take that over pretty well. But I, I, I think he especially would handle Ray well because all his movies like have to do with like, being, , like out of place, you know, like, and like, Whether they went with Pallot or they just made her nobody.

Or they made, or they made her the other solo, twin, like Russ said, like I feel like he could have integrated that well and like actually done something with it rather than like do like nothing with it.

[01:06:59] JOSH: uh, yeah. Showing your cards there. Um, Russ, you were recently seeing, uh, Peter Weir's praises. You just saw and Commander, right?

[01:07:07] RUSS: Yeah, all the way through. Finally, I think I've only seen pieces of it over the years, and I was just like, oh, this is just a great work of cinema. Yeah. I, I would, I think that'd be a great choice,

[01:07:19] FREY: Yeah, like that.

[01:07:20] RUSS: oh, I was say like going back to your, like, would there be Star Wars fatigue by this?

What, like third decade of, of Star Wars? And so by then it's like, are are they losing numbers? Is are the audience not coming? Like, all right, what do we have to do? Like instead of making greater cinema, we need to like blow their, blow their socks off. So I think Michael Bay would be a better choice here for Rise of Skywalker.

so I'll throw out that. Cause I think like we need to razzle dazzle and we need to get, get the butss in the seats. We need explosions and intensity and, and uh, and spinning cameras. Uh, so I think

[01:07:54] JOSH: Yeah. I mean, so he would've done this instead of, I guess, Pearl Harbor, right?

[01:07:57] FREY: Right.

[01:07:58] RUSS: Yeah.

Yeah, that, that

[01:08:00] JOSH: Uh, no. Yeah, I see the, the logic there, um, my pick for director of Rise of Skywalker oh one is Joe Johnston who directed Jurassic Park three instead of,

I mean, in the real world. He, uh, uh, he did Jurassic Park three. Um, So, and also the Rocketeer, so, so he was also on my list for, the Force Awakens or you could make the case for any one of these movies.

Like, I think, you know, coming from the I L m Lucas Film family, he was definitely a shoe-in for one of these. Um, then, you know, watching Light and Magic, I didn't realize that George Lucas basically, paid for him to go to film school and recommended him, to be the director for the Rocketeer.

So, so I think, as someone who promotes from within, I definitely think, Joe Johnston is a very likely and realistic and logical choice, to direct one of these movies.

[01:08:53] FREY: Yeah, totally. I think it would actually either be that I'm like, I had one other thing that I think if it's not Joe Johnson, like it would definitely be in 2001, the ninth movie. What would be, uh, John Turtle tub and I feel like that would justify the reason why anytime there is John Turtle tub movie, the trailer says, directed by John Turtle Tub.

if he directed rides with Skywalker, whatever, it's like it would make like, oh yeah, it makes sense. That's why they say his name at the end of the trial.

[01:09:19] JOSH: Um, John's, two pics. he's either, Peter Jackson,

[01:09:22] FREY: Nice.

[01:09:24] JOSH: coming off of, um,

[01:09:25] FREY: the Frighteners was it?

[01:09:27] JOSH: the Frighteners. Oh. So I guess you would've done this instead of Lord of the Rings, so

maybe we don't wanna

[01:09:33] RUSS: no,

[01:09:33] FREY: I could s but I could, I guess I could see that happening if you're going to get a director like that, like that kind of makes the most sense other than maybe Michael Bay, because like, , I mean, he wasn't quite Peter Jackson yet at that point. And like, he would be obviously like,

capable of like, tackling, wanting, wanting to tackle something like this.

[01:09:50] JOSH: yeah. Well, uh, those are all of my picks. That's everyone that I have. Is there anyone that we didn't mention or, any err thoughts you guys had that didn't fit into the, uh, sort of outline for this.

[01:10:02] FREY: The Codebreaker and last Shei that Justin throw plays. I feel like that that could have been Har Iel, just basically playing Winston Wolf, like Winston Wolf. You just see him for a second.

[01:10:15] JOSH: I like that. I like that. That's good. Um, oh no. Yeah, that reminded me. I had, um, I had thought of Harvey Kittel, Forno, cuz I, I just think that'd be funny. Um, lot of good names. Like, I wanna see these movies. I, I, I'm really always like, by the end of these episodes, where we do these, these alternate reality castings.

Um, I, I wanna see these movies.

so, uh, so we've done the prequels, we did Rogue One. uh, what should we do next now that we've done. the sequel. Should we do Solo? Should we do any of this? The show? Should we do the Mandalorian next? I don't know. What do you think?

[01:10:53] FREY: Yeah, I could do any one of, actually, I mean, I could do any one of those, but Mandalorian might be interesting. We can have somebody who's like in a helmet.

[01:11:00] RUSS: Well, I'd cast the Mandalorian, the Boba, and the Boba would be an expanded universe. Boba,

[01:11:07] JOSH: well, so what's interesting too is that I feel like The Mandalorian casting is just kind of like, who wants to be in a Star War? It it,

[01:11:17] RUSS: who is

popular right now.

[01:11:19] JOSH: No, it's not even who's popular, it's just like, who wants to be in it? And are you in the area from June 7th to 13th? And you can, and you can be the guest star in this episode is like, is like kind of how so?

So I feel like. They're already doing their kind of fantasy casting on that show, so maybe it's not a good

[01:11:37] FREY: Amy, Amy Sedaris. Do you wanna be Jerry Blank as Ellen Ripley?

[01:11:44] RUSS: who do you think, uh, suggested the no eyebrows? Was that her idea? It's like, I can't have eyebrows, so I'm playing this

character. Yeah,

Okay. I just, just wanted to check in about that. They

[01:11:54] FREY: She like puts like, like tape on her nose to like, but like pull her like.

[01:11:58] JOSH: accident. Um, yeah, I don't know. We'll have to think on this, because I enjoy these alternate history episodes of these alternate, uh, universe, what if episodes, um, If you'd like what you heard, please visit us@trashcompod.com where you can find transcripts of this episode and all our other episodes.

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