Jim Henson in the Kitchen: BOOK OF BOBA FETT Episode 4

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JOSH
Welcome to Trash Compactor, I am Josh and the junk droids joining me awaiting imminent flattening today are John. Hey, Mickey. Hello, Murray.

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MURRAY
Oh, hello.

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JOSH
And Russ. And today we will be discussing episode four of the Book of Boba Fett entitled The Gathering Storm. This is the most nitpicky of nit picks. I actually really, really enjoyed this episode a lot, but I really hate that title.

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JOSH
The gathering storm, it just seems like like that could be an episode of so many shows. Generic. really drives me crazy because, yeah, it's very generic Game of Thrones here, and it also makes it seem like, OK, so we're not seeing the good part yet.

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JOSH
So even though I really enjoyed the episode, I was like, I don't like this title anyway. Most nitpicky of Netflix, as I said, let's start with overall impressions. John, what were your overall impressions of the gathering storm?

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JON
As always, I enjoyed it. There is. There is one thing that I really liked about it was that it seemed like whoever was directing. It seemed to have a really strong grasp of like a good visual storytelling. So there are some really cool shots that I really liked when they show the mod crew again at their station

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JON
. It just seemed way deeper into their aesthetic, and I was like, This is really fucking cool, you know? But I guess the only critique I'd have of the episode is it just seemed like spinning wheels a little bit.

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JON
But other than that, I enjoyed it. It was fun.

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JOSH
Mickey, overall thoughts?

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MICKEY
Yeah, I mean, for what I've come to expect from the Boba Fett show, this was to me, probably my favorite episode in that it did a lot of different, maybe weird things. I was definitely vibing on a lot of like I was getting like kind of like eighties Jim Henson vibes out of a lot of like the

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MICKEY
kind of character design and actions with those characters that I was really dug in and I still. But again, like what I'm going to expect because like, I still think like, you know, we were talking about like, this isn't like the greatest writing so far in this show, and this episode hasn't specifically been better than the writing

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MICKEY
before. There's still issues with that, but visually, I think it's been. It's really interesting and cool, and I think this episode specifically did some like had some opportunity to do some weirder cooler things that I appreciate.

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JOSH
By the way, I got an answer either last episode or the episode before we were talking about what the shoot on the volume stage versus what they shoot on the backlot. And apparently, friend of the show James said, actually occasional guest on the show, James, he heard an interview with one of the DPS.

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JOSH
I don't think he's the main cinematographer because that's Dean Cundy but something Klein. I'm I'm forgetting his name right now. But he was interviewed on Fatman, on Batman, and he was saying that really bright daylight scenes. For some reason, they don't really look so great in the volume, so they tend to shoot those outside on the backlot

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JOSH
in natural light, which I thought was kind of interesting anyway.

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MICKEY
That's opposite of what I would expect, but that's cool.

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JOSH
Yeah. Murray overall thoughts.

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MURRAY
Real quick. Dean Cundy like Halloween, John Carpenter, Dean Cundey? He's the one that's filming this?

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[[MULTIPLE]]
Really? Yes. Oh, fuck wow. Of this, or like.

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MURRAY
Of all them or like, I'm I'm so.

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JOSH
So so sure there's.

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MURRAY
Not enough lens flares. He's got his flare that he does a lot so well.

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JOSH
He's the credited cinematographer for every episode, but that they may have consistent dpi and second unit. Yeah, I'm looking at his IMDb right now. That's awesome. He's he's credited. So he did this one and he did the second episode too.

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[[MULTIPLE]]
It's the best ones.

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JOSH
Yeah, not credited for episode three.

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MURRAY
Not credit. I know the see, I knew there was something different about the Robert Rodriguez episodes.

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[[MULTIPLE]]
I knew it when he left. I can see.

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JON
The right to doesn't. He doesn't rubber every to shoot as well.

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JOSH
But that's probably why.

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MURRAY
Yeah, I kept saying that there's OK. Anyway, so first impressions. So I guess this be my second question, because the first one was, that's awesome. So I liked it a lot. Like, I liked the video game aspect of it of like, Oh, we have to break into this place, but before we like before we do, we have

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MURRAY
to sneak into it to get the equipment so that we could break into it like and take over. So I like that kind of like a mission aspect of it. But I it threw me for a loop right in the beginning because I was like, Oh, we're really doubling down on these mods on like we're in the

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MURRAY
whole like history of Star Wars. There's just was that one guy with like the backwards like visor on his head, right?

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[[MULTIPLE]]
The guy?

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MURRAY
Yeah, that's exactly what I said. So. So like but now all of a sudden, like every other person is like a mod. And then like, I like the esthetic of like a tattoo shop type vibe to it. But I was like, what they did with the music in that scene.

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MURRAY
I was just like, This is way taking me out of Star Wars. I thought that was really. And I get it. I forgot what it's called when it's the music that they're listening to in the scene. I know that.

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JOSH
Jenek versus non-diabetic.

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MURRAY
Exactly. That's why I said so.

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[[MULTIPLE]]
And so.

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MURRAY
I. But I did. Overall, I liked it and I liked the. I always seem to struggle in this show when it's well for lack of a better word will say when it's present like day. You know, like, I always like to flashback so much.

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MURRAY
And then when it's like, Oh, this is what's actually happening, I'm like, This is, I don't like it. I don't, I don't. I think it's like they put all the weird, cool Star Wars stuff in the flashbacks. And then, like the new stuff is, with the exception of The Godfather scene at the end, like that was really

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MURRAY
cool. But everything else, when it's like present day, I'm just kind of like, Oh no, it's weird. It's not capture me, but but I liked it.

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JOSH
Russ, overall thoughts on episode four.

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RUSS
Well, I'm playing catch up. I've been watching from the shadows of the past few episodes. I'm not really a fan of much of what's going on in the show. In this past episode, I feel like my biggest problems were with the character Boba Fett himself.

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RUSS
He fluctuates between a version of an older Boba Fett to being like a like a faster addams kind of like an Uncle Fester and is like running around in this episode, not knowing what he's doing or where he is and being more reactionary to Fennec.

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RUSS
So, yeah, this episode in particular didn't really interest me. Episode two, I thought it was my favorite so far, and then I think we're getting now we're getting into where Boba Fett would. Normally this is. This is what he does.

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RUSS
Infiltration know kind of these type of tactics, which should be something that he's very familiar with, but he seems totally like fish out of water here, and it doesn't really jibe with me. It doesn't. It doesn't really fit what I feel like he would be able to do.

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RUSS
Yeah, it just really it felt kind of flat for me. I could say more as we go on.

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JOSH
Do I think that's an interesting point? The idea that he's sort of relying more on Fennec to do the heavy lifting, especially in that infiltration sequence. Could I ask you specifically, do you think a lot of your your issues with the show and with his characterization in particular have to do with, you know, obviously you are a

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JOSH
big fan of the the old extended universe and the character's portrayal there. Do you feel like you know how much of your antipathy for the show has to do with your feelings about that? Is it hard to separate that out?

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RUSS
Oh, it's not difficult at all. I'm watching the show as if it were a fan film about Boba Fett. Like, I'm not treating it as like the real Boba Fett. Yeah, I was. Boba Fett was one of my favorite characters growing up.

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RUSS
And like, there was a time when, like, he only existed in the movies. You had Empire Ninja, but then he started showing up in comics. I was a big fan of the Dark Empire comic series and and Boba Fett does show up there, and he kind of has a second life in the expanded universe.

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RUSS
And I like that Boba Fett, and there are some stories that I think are amazing in both comics and the books. And so I'm looking at this is like, this is a version the big. The big issue overall is that in Disney Star Wars, they had to figure out what to do a time jump and expanded universe

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RUSS
. It picks up right after Jedi and keeps on going on. But the actors got too old to tell those stories, so they had to do a time jump themselves. When they jump in, they decide to start. It shows where they want to start.

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RUSS
And so we don't know what happened necessarily between Jedi and where The Force Awakens starts, potentially so they've gotten to. They've got the chance to rewrite that and kind of create new histories. I just don't think that this particular story is is as good as the stories that we were presented previously.

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RUSS
So I'm looking at a completely different I'm looking at it like, this is someone else's take on Boba Fett. I get it. This is this is one writer's look at, Hey, what? What is a Boba Fett story look like?

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RUSS
I think for me, it was the opportunity to tell it, to do something cool, to go back in time. I would have kept him in the Sarlacc Pit the whole time, or at least the first episode, the first few episodes and having a flashback to adventures taking place from even from a New Hope all the way to

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RUSS
Jedi. And then it will keep on coming back to him in the pit lane. Like, kind of like the pin the pendulum situation where, like his whole life is flashing before he has all this time to think to plan.

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RUSS
What is he going to do when he gets up cruising? Want revenge on probably Luke and Leo, like who you end up and stuff like that. So but also any of those past encounters the stories that they tell in episode four, we can then see him interact with those characters later on in the book of Boba Fett

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RUSS
. Maybe they're seeking revenge on him or vice versa. So I just excuse missed opportunities. So anything that we're watching, it's just the character makes no sense to me. His motivations, anything it does, his lack of skills, his unfairness, even if it's like change in the.

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RUSS
Sort of like in this version of the show. It doesn't feel like that's logically where the character would go at all.

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JOSH
Well, so that's really interesting because you mentioned we had him in the film, but a lot of Boba Fett was rewritten in the prequels and attack of the Clones, right? Sure. Like so I mean, from my perspective, it's not that the character now doesn't make sense.

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JOSH
It is a different version of the character than what was explored in the nineties expanded universe. It's really interesting, though. It just really struck me. When you used the term, you felt like you were watching a fan film because in my mind, the expanded universe was like fan fiction.

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JOSH
Yeah, yeah. Mickey, then John.

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MICKEY
I was going to say right it. I'm glad you get Ross's perspective because I kind of overall agree. And then also to hear his I love, like I would say, my right off the bat. I was kind of upset with that first episode.

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MICKEY
Like, he sell the start like that in a couple of minutes and I'm like, Man, there were so many opportunities there with flashbacks and everything. But then the other idea I feel like I broke into my brain this last episode where I feel like I really missed a mark on a cool story idea because we have this

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MICKEY
aspect of who is Boba Fett. We have these different change in Boba Fett's because of the change changing properties as I like, especially in Entine and into like expanding. I wasn't. I really thought this TV show would've had a really great opportunity.

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MICKEY
I know there have been issues because he's clearly the actor who's played them in the prequels, but like there was opportunity like, is he Boba Fett or not? Like, I feel like that would have been like a really interesting story thing where like, you're watching this book for this guy's going around a Boba Fett.

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MICKEY
But like, there will be always an underlying thing of just like, is he, you know, or is he an imposter out in this western thing where no one can verify one way or another? And you know, and you even you as an audience, don't know or not.

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MICKEY
I guess he's a clone, so maybe you could still play with that, with that, with that actor. But like I do, and this was something I was saying before where I feel like there's some, I'm enjoying it, but I feel like there's some things.

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MICKEY
I've been missing some opportunities and and again, like, yeah, I definitely think like especially like when you talk about like expanding universe like it is definitely a different character. And you know, and like, I mean, I have a lot.

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MICKEY
I have a whole thesis on this. But like, you know, coming in and like, I think I'm like a few rows where it's like, Yeah, I mean, it's not when I grew up with, but I'm also I'm fine.

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MICKEY
I'm just watch it for what it because it's like I feel between the prequels. And then when they announced that the X-Men universe is different than the legends they call it now, like, I was just kind of like my whatever.

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[[MULTIPLE]]
Like, I don't care. I'm not going to play anymore. You know, my childhood is.

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JOSH
Over, John.

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JON
It's funny because that that whatever sort of thing is how I felt when when Rise of Skywalker starts and it's like the dead. Speak the Empire star. OK, fine. Sure, let's go.

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[[MULTIPLE]]
And then I remember, Well, though, this is all bullshit. OK, yeah.

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JON
Let's go. You know, but that's I mean, these are spacecrafts, but what? I think, what you're both bringing up, what job I think is an interesting question for the show in general is what is it? Are they choosing to show us?

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JON
And I was thinking about that more consciously watching this episode because it's like, OK, we're seeing another flashback and it's like, Oh, how Boba Fett and Fennec met when he rescued her? And it's like, Well, maybe we're going to see that relationship blossom.

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JON
And as soon as she's like, resurrected, basically, it's like immediately the relationship that they have today, and it's like, Oh, OK. And then it's like, why are the whole episodes about him getting the ship? And it's like, Well, do we care?

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JON
You know, is this one of those things where I was starting to think like, we're how many episodes is going to be eight episodes, seven episodes?

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JOSH
I think seven. Yeah.

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JON
seven, OK, so we're almost done with the show and I'm like. I wonder how this is all going to tie up, and I actually did see a little snippet of an interview with the actor that plays Fennec, and I think she said in the interview, like, I'm waiting to see how fans react to kind of like, I

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JON
forget the exact words, but she's like, I can't wait to see how everyone sees how the show is going to line up at the end between the flashbacks and the present. So I'm still consciously thinking about that, but I feel like a lot of the choices that they're doing.

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JON
And it's funny because I actually enjoyed watching this episode because like I said before, visually, I thought the storytelling was great and had some cool scenes. But the whole time I was like, Why are they showing us this?

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JON
Why? What is the like? What is their priority? And I stole four episodes and haven't quite figured out the the the gist of the show. Not like not the mystery, but just like, what is the central? I guess it is him getting over trauma.

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[[MULTIPLE]]
You know, him.

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JON
I guess it's just an evolution of the character from like bad to good. But the way they they they're showing us stuff, it's like they're not exactly revelations. They're just more info. Like when people talk about solo the movie, it's like, Oh, now we know how is how he got his gun.

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JON
It's like, Yeah, OK, like, fine. And I kind of feel like that's what we're doing right now. It's like, Well, OK, like, I'm I'm still thirsty for like something a little deeper than what I'm getting. If that makes any sense.

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JON
No. Yeah, I actually like the character a lot. The current character I just want to see more into, like what's making the the gears go, which I guess I kind of go into a little bit when he actually says why he wants to take over the families, which I thought was actually a pretty cool that that was

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JON
cool. But that's like, that's like a two minute scene in like a 30 minute episode where it's like 45 minutes. So the whole at the 45 and episodes, it's like it's 45 minutes to get to like one scene of dialog when it's like they could have concentrated on that a little bit more, but it's just they needed

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JON
to chase that.

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MURRAY
Yeah, but it's droids around the kitchen.

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JON
He's got a chainsaw ratcatcher in the kitchen.

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[[MULTIPLE]]
Which, by the way.

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JON
By the way, I don't wanna get too much of a tangent. But by the way, when that stuff whipped that all the knives, I was like, General Grievous.

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[[MULTIPLE]]
No. Previous The shot. Yeah, I mean.

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JOSH
I'm not sure.

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JON
And I like I thought it was so silly, but at the same time, I was so proud of them to go with that silly in a weird way. Like, like, Yeah, let's just go. This is fucking out of ridiculous adventure.

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JOSH
I really love that scene. And actually, the chef with all the knives, I'm not sure if it was an image or a poking fun at the inherent silliness of the General Grievous design. I think. I'm not sure. Yeah, it's probably both rust than Murray.

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RUSS
Yeah, I mean, I guess to to double back to on. I know this, but that's a different character. I mean, and it seems like the movie is get to determine really the movies or TV show, the German, you know, the flow or timeline of what is now the Star Wars universe.

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RUSS
That's fine. I've drawn my line, so I know like, you know, I will watch this out of curiosity. I don't feel like it's what I would have done or what was done. Totally get that. So it's fine. So I am watching this show as its own entity.

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RUSS
That being said, I see I see a lot of really weird choices for the character. Still like going back to funny like an expanded universe are often accompanies Boba Fett on missions and things and is kind of like his kind of copilot partner in crime.

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RUSS
And he he actually lets Boba Fett just be himself where he does most. Denver does most of talking the exposition for the audience because Fett doesn't really talk. And so that's kind of interesting, allowing him to to be that window because that is a very quiet person.

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RUSS
And we see, and I would imagine the show. I'd like to see more things like when he's spying on Jarvis powers to kind of get an idea of like how we can attack. He's he's going in with his gun is like, Oh, not today.

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RUSS
I'm not going to. No, no. Why would he even think about that? Like, he's the tactician. He's he's smart. We've seen him be smart and are only examples really are an empire when he does track down the Millennium Falcon divestment.

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RUSS
We know he's a detective. We know he's smart. He's had plenty of time to think he wouldn't be that kind of brash person. I think even this version of the character, so when he's up on that ridge, I mean, I can imagine scouting, but to even go into attack that that didn't make sense to me.

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RUSS
And just like that could also have been silent. You'd have to say anything you have to. It has been looking to prepare the audience for you. He's clearly looking to. He wants to engage. He's looking for something. It just seems like a lot of this show.

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RUSS
The motivations of the character seem off to me or the types of things is Boba Fett would not have forgotten. His history is his kind of military type approach to tactics. And yeah, so that's that's kind of what I'm thinking like in this version of Boba Fett.

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RUSS
I still feel like the character does things that don't make sense to me.

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MURRAY
So the thing and I think this goes with what he was saying is like and a little bit, I guess what everyone saying is like they're trying to show like this character arc in Boba Fett. But when he emerges from the star like that, he is already the Boba Fett.

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MURRAY
Like he's not changing from when he escapes to when he what you see now, like, he was instantly like, we talked about going to free that one guy that was also captive by the raiders he didn't like, try to kill or fight or, I don't know, even like, lash out at the.

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MURRAY
Huskins, so he was just like, it's like, so what like what happened so like, I don't know. And so that's why I get with the character development where it seems like it's just like, what are they trying to say?

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MURRAY
Because he actually hasn't changed since before he was in the the Sarlacc Pit to what we're seeing now. And then I felt with this episode, whereas I did like it and it was like, cool. But some of it is.

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MURRAY
It's just like treading water like we don't actually. The whole episode was how he gets. He like, saves her and then how he gets. He was at the slave one back. Yeah, right. But she's just like the first time we've seen Boba Fett in, I don't know, like 30 years or something like that was in Mandalorian when

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MURRAY
that already happened. So we don't need to like, I don't know, maybe people were like, Oh, that's bullshit, how she survived that or something like that. But like, I don't we already know that he gets the stuff back we don't need.

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MURRAY
So it just seemed like spinning their wheels are like treading water. And when when you're making a limited amount of episodes, then you could actually make it as long or as short as you want. So there's really no need to tread water that much like I could see, if you're obligated to do 20 episodes and you only

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MURRAY
have about like 15, then you might want to start expanding and and filling in the gaps and adding in random, like I do like the kitchen scene because it was like a fun use of the world that we're not seeing.

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MURRAY
And then I love the anticipation of like, Oh shit, it's going to be like this cook versus Boba Fett. And then she just like cuts his head off. I thought that was like a really good joke. And I have to admit I was happy to see the Ratcatcher, like later on at the end of the episode, I

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MURRAY
was like, Oh, fuck you. And the fact that it like turns itself off, like.

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[[MULTIPLE]]
It's.

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MURRAY
Definitely had some laughs in it. But I just don't it. It does seem like they're spinning their wheels when it's like, but like, bro, you're in charge of writing this. Like, why are you writing like all this filler when you could just make it as long as you need it to be?

00;21;37;26 - 00;21;40;20
MURRAY
So that's I think that's covered everything.

00;21;41;01 - 00;21;56;20
JOSH
Well, that's interesting because to me, this isn't really filler like this was stuff that I was waiting to see. I feel like finally happening like, I don't think it's so much. We have to show how he got his ship and we have to show exactly how Phenix survived.

00;21;58;02 - 00;22;13;07
JOSH
I think it's more that that's the action through which we see how this relationship between them came to be right, like why he values her and why she's with him. To John's point, I mean, I don't know, like, maybe there's just something wrong with me.

00;22;13;07 - 00;22;25;29
JOSH
Like, I felt like we did get all that stuff in terms of the motivation and why they're together. Like, maybe it could be fleshed out a little more, but I feel like with characterization in Star Wars is par for the course.

00;22;25;29 - 00;22;27;14
JOSH
Like it's sort of what you get. Okay, Mickey, go ahead.

00;22;27;22 - 00;22;32;16
MICKEY
first for say, one is canceled. It's not say one is just to skip Rey.

00;22;33;01 - 00;22;35;11
JON
Whatever fire spread, fire spray.

00;22;35;28 - 00;22;41;07
JOSH
The fire spread gunship. Yeah, but to be fair, though, I mean, that was always sort of a weird name and it was.

00;22;41;18 - 00;22;41;24
[[MULTIPLE]]
On.

00;22;41;24 - 00;22;42;09
JOSH
Screen.

00;22;42;15 - 00;22;44;18
MICKEY
Yeah, like Moore movies?

00;22;45;08 - 00;23;04;01
JOSH
Yeah. Why? Why would you call your ship slave? Especially when we know, like some of the operating systems on these ships have sanctions of some kind. It's like, you know, if you're already predisposed to disliking the Disney output or the changes, like, I understand that that's sort of more ammunition for that.

00;23;04;01 - 00;23;14;15
JOSH
But I feel like for me, if he said slave one, if he called his ships slave, I think it would pull me out of the show. There also could be an in universe explanation if you really want to get into it.

00;23;14;16 - 00;23;27;15
JOSH
They don't say that the ship was never called the slave one like he describes the make and model. He's like, it's a fire spray gunship. Like, maybe he he doesn't want to be known as someone who thinks like slaves are cool.

00;23;27;23 - 00;23;33;25
JON
And he actually thought about that, too. Like, if he's this reformed guy, he wouldn't call his ship slave one.

00;23;34;02 - 00;23;42;28
MICKEY
Yeah, I think the civilians early on when he was a bad guy, it's like, it's like a bad guy. We're going to get the bad guy is going to name his ship something bad, and he's not a bad guess.

00;23;43;07 - 00;23;44;12
MICKEY
So you can't have, you know.

00;23;44;29 - 00;23;50;25
JON
You got death stars and Star Destroyers and executioners and whatever. So but that's all like evil empire shit.

00;23;51;20 - 00;23;53;01
JOSH
Yeah, but sorry, Mickey, start interrupting.

00;23;53;07 - 00;24;01;05
MICKEY
Oh no, no, that's fine. But I something like that related to like I like. Like I said, I think this might be my favorite episode and a lot of it because it is kind of this like filler or something.

00;24;01;05 - 00;24;14;11
MICKEY
It's just these weird scenes, something I've been kind of saying a lot like, you know, since this kind of like we've hit like the last 15 years of TV and we hope TV is I've really been kind of bummed at short seasons.

00;24;14;11 - 00;24;31;00
MICKEY
And TV shows don't like the lack of 22 seasons TV shows anymore, because now we just don't get weird one off final episodes anymore, you know, I mean, like, it's kind of really gone by the wayside, and I feel like this episode, despite only having seven took opportunity this episode to embrace it, hit or miss in some

00;24;31;00 - 00;24;42;21
MICKEY
places. You know, like, I'm not a big fan of the mod scene, but but that but that Jabba breaks like those for me like. That's definitely see now is really to me, like stand out, speak like Jim Henson, muppet tie in comic thing that you also saw in a lot of eighties.

00;24;42;27 - 00;24;58;05
MICKEY
Also, Terry Gilliam type movie type of action to, you know what? That kitchen scene that Ratcatcher do, just like running on the fire. I mean, I go, That's just like, to me, that's pure childhood, like kind of U.S. I love and like, it seemed like I'm glad the show took opportunity to be like, Yeah, let's not focus

00;24;58;05 - 00;25;08;10
MICKEY
on him. You know, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. Let's just have these weird things know and then also just the character design and just the way they really made that dance. I have like personality.

00;25;08;10 - 00;25;18;10
MICKEY
I just like every single scene with that dancer. I was just vibing. I'm so cool, and I thought he was funny and I just again. And that to me, that was like peak like eighties, like weird, weird movies, type of thing.

00;25;18;28 - 00;25;29;03
MICKEY
And I appreciated that. But but it does kind of remind me, though not only is it like only seven episodes, but then I think you're saying like, Oh, it's a 3045 minutes episode and something I I kind of like.

00;25;29;10 - 00;25;39;26
MICKEY
I was like three quarters of the way through the episode yesterday, and then I was kind of thinking of like something else show. I guess I've been thinking a lot while I watch this show because it's not like you could have opportunity be like, Oh, what if we do a Star Wars?

00;25;39;27 - 00;25;50;20
MICKEY
Boardwalk Empire and the show could have been that I really kind of like that. I got that thought. The last episode, when they're like, we're going to bring the city under control of different mobs and everything. It's like, Oh, it could be bought, but it's not.

00;25;51;01 - 00;25;59;03
MICKEY
And one of the things that really is missing that like a show like that has is like, it's not really doing a lot of characters, and it's not diving into why it's really just Boba Fett. Fennec hasn't done much.

00;25;59;03 - 00;26;10;14
MICKEY
You haven't really explored like you could have had. Like, why does Fennec like, there's this questions like why does she all the sudden, just like, I'm going out with you and we don't know and like an episode had more room to breathe could maybe show her flashbacks or something.

00;26;10;22 - 00;26;14;24
MICKEY
Although I guess that would have been a flashback within a flashback, which would have been weird, but I kind of.

00;26;14;24 - 00;26;15;15
MURRAY
Would have been awesome.

00;26;15;15 - 00;26;17;16
[[MULTIPLE]]
Fuck it. Right? Yeah, but I find it.

00;26;17;16 - 00;26;30;05
MICKEY
I find it weird that like this show, unlike I feel like, you know, the golden age of TV show is like, like a sopranos. It doesn't have 30 characters, and we get the opportunity to really explore all three characters and something again.

00;26;30;05 - 00;26;44;07
MICKEY
And in like part of it, to me, it's like, like, I guess, HBO shows like 55 Minutes and this is ten minutes shorter. And it's just something like. Another thing I've been down on with short seasons also is also with like this thing where like when we were like Netflix started doing like TV can be anything.

00;26;44;07 - 00;26;53;15
MICKEY
It can be an hour and ten 11 episode and next episode can be 30. They're not doing that. They're doing 45 because it's like, I think they're still this thought that they want to sell in syndication or something.

00;26;53;27 - 00;26;54;11
MICKEY
I don't.

00;26;54;13 - 00;26;58;08
JOSH
I don't. I don't think so. Now, I don't think now, but.

00;26;58;20 - 00;27;02;04
MICKEY
I just like working out an hour. I feel like they could use our opportunity to expand more.

00;27;02;26 - 00;27;15;11
JOSH
So there are a couple of things you know, yes, TV can be anything but at a certain point, though, like when does it stop becoming TV? Like, you know, why are movies still roughly two hours long when they don't have to be right now?

00;27;15;11 - 00;27;30;06
JOSH
one thing that you're talking about really reminds me of The Mandalorian. The Mandalorian had a lot of those like weird episodes like the one in the second season with the The Weird Fish Lady, and they crash on the planet with the weird spider creatures and stuff.

00;27;30;06 - 00;27;43;21
JOSH
I mean, that was like, quote unquote filler, but I thought it really created a mood and atmosphere, and it was weird. Like, it was like something really weird that I really appreciated. The only other thing I'll say, Mickey, about seven episodes you thought we would get more.

00;27;43;25 - 00;28;02;24
JOSH
There's this thing happening with cinematic universes, and I feel like you can't just view this show as in a vacuum, it's kind of like one season of this the Star Wars cinematic universe, right? So it's like we have to take it in context with The Mandalorian and then the show that's going to come on after this and

00;28;02;24 - 00;28;22;06
JOSH
all that. It's like, it's all sort of like that thing that you're talking about, about exploring all of these characters and stuff like the shows all together cumulatively, I feel like you're doing that. And, you know, it's a weird sort of franchise, all interconnected, weird approach to storytelling that I think has more to do with commerce than

00;28;22;06 - 00;28;32;05
JOSH
than storytelling. But I think that's what's going on here. And I don't I mean, I don't necessarily have a problem with it. It's it's kind of an interesting thing to witness, OK? John Murray than Russ.

00;28;32;19 - 00;28;50;29
JON
To your point, I feel like that's kind of just the trend now. You know, when Christopher Nolan redid Batman, everything had to be dark and gritty, you know, and then that trend is thankfully over. But now. But then Marvel comes around with the Avengers, and now everything's going to be shared and connected.

00;28;51;09 - 00;29;02;29
JON
And so, I mean, Star Wars was always a saga anyway. So it lends itself to that. But I just feel like that's just kind of like the zeitgeist of what today is, but to what everyone was talking about before about.

00;29;04;03 - 00;29;17;17
JON
Story and spinning wheels and stuff like that, I feel like it's a bit of like a choice as to like what to concentrate on and like ratios of like maybe not ratios is the word, but basically like what's important to them, you know?

00;29;17;27 - 00;29;40;06
JON
And I feel like there's something weird about the Boba Fett character where we all presume a character existed before the show started, but there really wasn't. He was just a dude in the helmet with four lines. And so they need to make the character for us now when we watch the original movies or any of the other

00;29;40;06 - 00;29;54;05
JON
side projects. Even the new movies of the sequels, there was no Rey before Force Awakens and stuff like that, so they kept putting in these little moments of like telling us about their personalities as a movie would go on over the course of two hours.

00;29;54;17 - 00;30;10;11
JON
You know her instead of running away from tie fighters and like, she's like, Don't hold my hands like, OK, well, that tells me something about her, you know, the impetuous nature of Adam Driver. All these things. Harrison Ford and Leia bickering in the New Hope.

00;30;10;11 - 00;30;24;13
JON
So this is tell me a lot about their characters, and I feel like that's one thing that this show. Doesn't have too much a little bit of like is even in The Mandalorian, like no robots like, OK, no robots, what the fuck is that all about?

00;30;24;13 - 00;30;34;09
JON
Like, little things are sprinkled in and and this one, it's like, like I said before, he rescues Fennec and she's alive and she's like, All right, we're partners. We're cool. It's like, OK.

00;30;35;07 - 00;30;35;28
[[MULTIPLE]]
So like, I.

00;30;35;28 - 00;30;53;12
JON
Kind of expected like even that even if they are cool, it's like throwing something where it's like, maybe she hasn't trusted anyone before, and she trusts Boba Fett. And I have to like, assume that a little bit because he has a little speech where he's like, you know, sooner or later, everybody needs a tribe, which I think

00;30;53;12 - 00;31;14;12
JON
is a fantastic line, you know? But like, I feel like there could have been a little bit more of like a not quite butting heads, but just sort of like a some sort of deeper direction before that. And then and even the superficial things of like when he goes to them to the mod tattoo parlor thing, the

00;31;14;12 - 00;31;27;01
JON
modification place he walks in and he's baby babyface mods are like they seemingly are there to do something. But as soon as he walks him as Fennec, they're just looking at Boba Fett the whole time. Like, he's a fucking giraffe.

00;31;27;14 - 00;31;28;01
[[MULTIPLE]]
I it's like.

00;31;28;07 - 00;31;35;08
JON
And didn't like anything. He's going about their business. And if you pay attention to the background, which I do now because I'm an actor and I pay attention to what everyone's doing and that's in the.

00;31;36;11 - 00;31;36;24
[[MULTIPLE]]
Show and.

00;31;37;06 - 00;31;52;26
JON
They're still looking at him. And I remember that completely contrast to a new hope when they walk into Mos Eisley and even a bar where there's no droids allowed like the patrons kind of turn around. They look, they don't give a shit and they go back to whatever the hell they're doing, which means that every single person

00;31;52;26 - 00;32;07;08
JON
at that bar had a story had like even if it was fake, like they all had, like they were there to do something. And while Boba Fett's going through that scene that those people are still watching him, I'm like, What the fuck are you guys doing in the.

00;32;07;08 - 00;32;11;08
[[MULTIPLE]]
Night besides just watching this guy and thinking, this.

00;32;11;08 - 00;32;25;03
JON
Is like, maybe it's because you had a good body and there were freaked out, but they seem so like tough and cybernetic. I don't know. I'm getting off on a tangent here. My point being, though, is I think.

00;32;28;02 - 00;32;44;22
JON
If I see any sort of missed opportunity, it's more of like sprinkling and little character things that maybe it's up to the actor, maybe it's up to the writer, maybe to the director, but there's just something where it's like a little bit more of a trail.

00;32;44;23 - 00;32;58;04
JON
I think not not to lead us anywhere, but just to sort of like grab us for like who these people are besides just like the content of them being like, You're cool, I'm cool, OK, we're cool together and like, OK, the script says, are cool.

00;32;58;04 - 00;33;08;16
JON
So now we're cool and it's like, Yeah, OK. But like, there is just so I feel like it's just kind of like on the surface, a little bit, if that makes any sense. That's my rant now.

00;33;08;24 - 00;33;22;09
JOSH
Now I get what you're saying. My sense for the mod parlor, I very much got the impression that these kids think they're hot shit and then they get one look at this guy with literal scars on his face.

00;33;22;10 - 00;33;22;27
JOSH
They are all with.

00;33;22;27 - 00;33;24;09
JON
A dead body, possibly.

00;33;24;09 - 00;33;28;15
JOSH
Yeah, yeah, like holding a dead body. And they are scared shitless of him.

00;33;29;01 - 00;33;34;13
JON
But they don't look scared. They're just. Yeah. And that's yeah. And if they the acted mort, see, that's what I'm talking about.

00;33;34;15 - 00;33;36;02
MURRAY
Like history of violence, Johnny?

00;33;36;11 - 00;33;48;21
JON
Yes. Yes, there's that scene. OK, we're going back a little bit, but there's a scene in history of violence where the bullies bump into the serial killers and they give these serial killers the middle finger and the serial killers.

00;33;48;21 - 00;34;05;18
JON
Look at them dead cold and the bullies are like, you can. They're just the movie makes, you know, they're fucking terrified out of their skull before the scene goes on. So, yeah, I think that's a good point. And I think I think what you're talking about is like something that I have to assume given the context of

00;34;05;18 - 00;34;12;03
JON
what I'm watching as compared to like it just being visible in the scene, if that makes any sense.

00;34;12;11 - 00;34;12;25
[[MULTIPLE]]
No sure.

00;34;14;22 - 00;34;24;10
MURRAY
Well, it's kind of fitting that you brought up Christopher Nolan because that's kind of how he writes his characters, right? Like Matthew McConaughey is madly in love with Ben Hathaway. It's like, Are you going to show us now?

00;34;24;11 - 00;34;43;14
MURRAY
I just told you, that's all you need to know. Like, I'm not going to show you this develop at all. But that's all. That's a whole other tangent I could get on that. Jamie's heard 1,000,000 times. But this is going back to Mickey talking about TV and the short episodes and stuff like that while short seasons.

00;34;43;14 - 00;34;56;16
MURRAY
And I think that a lot of it. And maybe Josh hit on this too is like it stems from. Everything has to be perfect in like all media, but especially it seems on TV like you could have five seasons of a TV show.

00;34;56;16 - 00;35;07;11
MURRAY
And if one of those episodes is bad, that's the fucking worst show I've ever seen. Like, I can't stand it like what they were saying about this, right? Like, it's episode one is worse than polio. I'm not going to watch it like.

00;35;07;11 - 00;35;09;10
[[MULTIPLE]]
Really like like it's.

00;35;09;10 - 00;35;31;01
MURRAY
Got to be a home run, and if it's not, then it's it's terrible. So there's no room for like a bottle episode, which is if you like character development, which maybe Marvel like Disney and Marvel seem to be lacking a little bit these days, but like if you like it, if you don't like that kind of character

00;35;31;10 - 00;35;42;09
MURRAY
, then bottle up. So it's going to be the worst thing you've ever heard of, like in your life and have to like, just sit there like, Oh, they're locked in a room just with all this nuance. Oh, please, what are they going to fight and like, shoot people?

00;35;42;10 - 00;35;54;15
MURRAY
So I think there's like so much reservation with movies and TV shows that, like, if it's not going to be a smash hit right off the bat, then like, I don't we we're not going to take a risk on it.

00;35;54;15 - 00;36;11;03
MURRAY
And so that's why everything seems so like manufactured and there's no weirdness. There's no. Just like exploration and fail and fail again, fail better aspect to it, it has to just be perfect right off the bat, otherwise you're wasting everyone's time.

00;36;11;09 - 00;36;26;17
MURRAY
So I think that's a huge thing. And my initial my initial question when I first raised my hand was Boba Fett says I want to get revenge on on the guy, the guy or the pig that double crossed me, who double crossed him like that is wanting to get.

00;36;26;23 - 00;36;28;10
MURRAY
That's why I didn't understand.

00;36;29;16 - 00;36;30;22
JON
He says that when did he say that.

00;36;30;22 - 00;36;35;05
MURRAY
Yeah, when I'm when he's talking about breaking into Java's Palace to thought.

00;36;35;05 - 00;36;38;03
JOSH
He meant. I thought he meant Bib Fortuna, I thought.

00;36;38;07 - 00;36;50;16
MURRAY
Yeah, but but that's what thank you guys. I almost killed on Monday before tuna. So like, but how did he get double crossed or is that something we just didn't see yet?

00;36;50;26 - 00;36;53;10
JOSH
Maybe that's something we didn't see. I'm not sure.

00;36;53;10 - 00;37;00;13
MURRAY
Because he definitely says that. And then because what's his his kind before to now, he's a.

00;37;00;19 - 00;37;01;16
JON
Twilight three look.

00;37;02;12 - 00;37;02;16
[[MULTIPLE]]
Like.

00;37;02;28 - 00;37;13;04
MURRAY
I think, don't you say like he says, I want to get, you know, revenge on the. I think he says, the pig that double crossed me, but I don't think he actually means the pig people. I think he means nothing.

00;37;13;16 - 00;37;25;19
MURRAY
Yeah. And then and then I think she says, Oh, you want to hit a toilet or twilight or whatever he is like? And so I. So that's what I didn't get, and I was like, Then I'll sing it out.

00;37;25;20 - 00;37;29;24
MURRAY
Oh, did he mean like the like? But like, was that a double cross? But like, I don't know.

00;37;29;26 - 00;37;45;24
JON
I feel like he's. Well, I don't mean to cut you off, but I think I think it's one of those things where it's like he's talking about like the system a little bit and like the people there, it's kind of like in charge making dumb decisions, and maybe he's just like sees him as like the epitome of

00;37;46;00 - 00;38;04;06
MURRAY
. What at that time, Jabo like when he fell into Sarlacc Pit, Jabba was in control. Not very true for tuna. So I don't like that. Maybe they'll explain it. I mean, I I could be very wrong, but it seemed like they're like almost trying to give him, no, this is why he's doing this.

00;38;04;15 - 00;38;05;28
MURRAY
Like, just say for it.

00;38;05;29 - 00;38;06;12
[[MULTIPLE]]
Don't go.

00;38;06;14 - 00;38;15;09
JOSH
No, wait, I'm sorry. Look, now that I'm remembering, I'm remembering, I had a similar thought process when I was watching it. I was initially confused, but then I think he was talking about the the biker gang.

00;38;16;11 - 00;38;28;24
MURRAY
Like that? Well, it's always he was that double crossing. Right, that's what they call Pike's the fish people that are voiced by what's a Hermes Conrad from Futurama?

00;38;29;19 - 00;38;30;09
JON
You should really.

00;38;30;13 - 00;38;32;26
[[MULTIPLE]]
And I think, yeah. And perfection.

00;38;32;26 - 00;38;34;16
MURRAY
Yeah, yeah. Shot Marvin in the face.

00;38;34;22 - 00;38;34;26
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah.

00;38;36;06 - 00;38;48;23
MURRAY
So that yeah, that was confusing. So I I actually I watched the episode yesterday and I was waiting until like I could fit it in to ask you guys because I had no idea, but not to jump ahead.

00;38;48;23 - 00;39;01;01
MURRAY
Speaking of the biker gang, that was like the best execution of that. I loved it because like I was watching it. And when you see the whatever the ship is called, not when you see not the slave one, like just getting bigger.

00;39;01;07 - 00;39;10;21
MURRAY
I was like watching it with with my wife and I was like, Oh, fuck, like. And the fact that it was just like exterminating them, there was no bam. There was no, and he was just like a drive.

00;39;11;02 - 00;39;20;25
MURRAY
I was like, I was like, I guess that's more in line with the Boba Fett that seemed to be the initial Boba Fett before he, when became the ship.

00;39;20;26 - 00;39;23;10
JON
Got bigger in the sky. I saw him laughing out loud.

00;39;23;11 - 00;39;26;04
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah, yeah, because I was like, Oh, OK, I hear you.

00;39;26;18 - 00;39;31;02
MURRAY
And I just love there's no ceremony to it. It just sort of modem down like a cockroach.

00;39;31;04 - 00;39;31;24
[[MULTIPLE]]
Like that.

00;39;31;27 - 00;39;32;14
JON
Was a great, you.

00;39;33;16 - 00;39;44;14
JOSH
Know? And then I also thought it was really cool. Like, you know, no one. I was surprised that he had no reservations at all about climbing into the Sarlacc again, which I thought he would have had like some something about.

00;39;44;18 - 00;39;51;18
JOSH
But then also when he completely murdered the Sarlacc with that, like Sonic, whatever, like, I thought that was pretty fucking cool, too.

00;39;52;00 - 00;39;52;05
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah.

00;39;53;06 - 00;40;08;15
RUSS
Yeah. I guess I'll go after the Sarlacc or before that when he does destroy the speed biker gang. That, yeah, that was 100% like the both I would expected. So and so it's out of character for this Boba Fett in a way.

00;40;08;24 - 00;40;21;21
RUSS
And that's that's like the back and forth that still doesn't work for me. But after murdering that biker gang, he's just flown by the Sarlacc, dropped a bomb straight in and blown away and watch explode in the background.

00;40;21;21 - 00;40;36;16
RUSS
That would have been fitting. He wasn't even planning on killing the thing, as far as we know. And it was only up to Fennec, who actually who released the bomb latch without permission. And she also gets the glory of killing the star looked like it should have been his revenge and his moment.

00;40;36;26 - 00;40;45;22
RUSS
And I just felt like that was such a get taken away from him. Like, like, he should have absolutely killed the thing that he spent, who knows how long, and we don't really have a proper frame of reference.

00;40;46;00 - 00;40;57;24
RUSS
That, to me, would have been a really exciting moment. We don't get any of these like moments, like that's his revenge moments, the thing that basically put him in a hibernation for all those years or however many, however long that was.

00;40;58;17 - 00;41;08;06
RUSS
And I feel like that was just kind of taken away from him, but also to fit in his character if he'd gone and killed that thing. Now I know he's looking for his armor, but he was wearing his armor when he crawled out of the pit and then got knocked out.

00;41;08;07 - 00;41;20;29
RUSS
Yes, some people could say, Oh, he was, he was, you know, out of his mind. He he starvation. He was. I don't think so. I think one of the things about Boba Fett that I like to imagine is like he has his wits about him.

00;41;20;29 - 00;41;30;22
RUSS
He's basically the start of the Batman of Star Wars, potentially, or the Wolverine like like he knows what he's doing, like he's the cool character. That's why I like him. Like, he's like that. I mean, he's like Wolverine.

00;41;30;22 - 00;41;51;29
RUSS
He's like those two things combined is quite silent but deadly. Not like a fart like in this version. But but more like, you know, like, yeah, granted his suppose to death and Jedi was pretty, pretty lame. But people are generally terrified of him, and I know we always refer back to that bridge sequence in Empire was like

00;41;51;29 - 00;42;05;07
RUSS
notice integrations. So his reputation is solid, and the only reputation that people people can know about him now is, Oh, he's dead. If you come to if you come back from the dead and Star Wars, I would be even more terrified that you can't be killed.

00;42;05;14 - 00;42;20;13
RUSS
And so in the previous episode was like, you know, people don't respect you that that reads falls to me even in this world of Boba Fett. So I'm still getting a lot of that. But skipping ahead to the end of the episode, I guess we're kind of jumping around when Phenix, like, I know we know where to

00;42;20;13 - 00;42;32;05
RUSS
get people or I know where to get people to help. And you hear The Mandalorian theme, you almost get chills because The Mandalorian is more Fett than Fett. You're excited to have him come back to save the show.

00;42;32;05 - 00;42;40;28
RUSS
Yeah. Don't mistake. I think they made early on was like, We're not gonna bring back Boba Fett. We're going to make our own Mandalorian. He's going to be cool. We're going to sell. You want him. You're gonna be excited about this character.

00;42;41;04 - 00;42;52;04
RUSS
They did that. I was excited. I was like, I don't need Boba Fett. Please don't bring back Boba Fett. You gave all the personnel like all the things you would talk Boba Fett to The Mandalorian. You made him tough, but you gave him a heart of gold.

00;42;52;10 - 00;43;07;09
RUSS
All these things, they're just duplicating and mirroring on the Boba Fett for almost like, why let him be just pure vengeance, pure evil? Because you already had this mysterious Mandalorian character with all the same level of skill. And then he also gave him a paternal aspect.

00;43;07;16 - 00;43;21;24
RUSS
You made him exciting and fun to watch, and you care about the character. When we hear that music he's Mando is common, man. Like, This is Boba Fett. I should be feeling like that, whatever, but if I do something cool this Boba Fett does not and still, he's not cruel.

00;43;21;24 - 00;43;38;27
RUSS
He's not exciting to me. I'm not interested in what he's about to do. I'm excited to see The Mandalorian come back. Like, that's that's exciting to me. So that's kind of a shame. This should not have brought Boba Fett back if they were going to impart all these characteristics of Boba Fett onto The Mandalorian and that show

00;43;38;28 - 00;43;52;00
RUSS
are engaged being captured my attention. And now I feel like they already kind of did it. Friend of animals, friend of the people, all these things the mentor has already done. We're getting kind of a repeat of it.

00;43;52;09 - 00;44;11;02
RUSS
And this episode, I'm more excited to see The Mandalorian come and help Boba Fett. I never thought that that would happen. And again, like another instance where Fennec knows more than Boba Fett even being the star like that, even being out of the loop for so long, I feel like Fett has contacts and and weapons caches hidden

00;44;11;02 - 00;44;29;02
RUSS
. Like has all these things like he should not need any help, but he'll take it if he can get it. So like again, like it is reading like he's kind of helpless and fragile. And yet in the first or second episode, he took that like Clash of the Titans monster from the sand with a chain.

00;44;29;06 - 00;44;34;06
RUSS
So it's like he's all over the place, like, is he super strong? Is it capable? I don't know.

00;44;34;09 - 00;44;49;23
MICKEY
Yeah, I just thought, like, bring up our recurring our wheel of guest stars for this week we had I just wanted to highlight Thundercat, who I thought, you know, first acting role he's done and he's charismatic. This is something that's been killing me and I just want to bring up since Thundercat was in it.

00;44;49;23 - 00;45;02;00
MICKEY
And also, I think the music's been that's good, too. But does is that Thundercats and Kamasi Washington or Kasumi Washington's band? And they do this awesome. They have this album where they have this stuff that sounds like a straight out of Star Trek, like 60 Star Trek music.

00;45;02;09 - 00;45;14;27
MICKEY
And I don't know why Star Trek hasn't hired them to, like, score their their TV shows. I mean, that's just something that's been bothering me. Another sci fi thing unrelated. But but since Thundercat was in this episode, I just wanted to mention that something that's been killing me.

00;45;15;11 - 00;45;23;04
JOSH
We'll have to save that for the garbage scow edition of the trash compactor. It's a Star Trek reference. You guys, you nerd. So.

00;45;23;13 - 00;45;23;21
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah.

00;45;28;14 - 00;45;47;26
MURRAY
So it's it's funny with the the Mando music, because we had the same reaction here when we're watching it and it kind of reminds you of like if you're watching like, say, you're watching like a horror movie, that's not that good, but then in the horror movie, they're talking about Halloween or or like Psycho or something like

00;45;47;26 - 00;46;01;17
MURRAY
that. And you're just like, No, all you're making me want to do is watch the better movie like instead of like watching this and I do like Boba Fett. I'm not saying I don't, but it is like, you don't realize how much you like and miss The Mandalorian until you hear the music.

00;46;01;17 - 00;46;21;12
MURRAY
And it's it felt like it's obviously not as intense as a scene, but like it felt similar to when you hear those like three notes of Luke's theme in the Mando finale. When the X-Wing comes in and you're just like, Oh, I am so like hype on this, and it's really exciting.

00;46;21;13 - 00;46;32;16
MURRAY
And then Ross, I just once I don't know if you saw me making faces when you brought up Wolverine and Batman, but it's just because I have issues with them. So it was funny that you picked. That's why John was laughing, too, because he knew what I was thinking.

00;46;32;16 - 00;46;40;17
MURRAY
So I know this is not a visual thing, so you could cut this out. I just want to explain I wasn't like making fun of him, but it was just my Oh my.

00;46;41;04 - 00;46;42;09
[[MULTIPLE]]
My being insane.

00;46;42;26 - 00;46;52;00
RUSS
Yeah, they're like the most loaded characters to talk about, about as far as cool or fan favorites, and it's just the easiest comparison I could have made.

00;46;53;28 - 00;46;55;20
MURRAY
I just don't want you to think I was being an asshole.

00;46;55;27 - 00;47;07;05
JOSH
Could you actually explain a little bit to me why you had that reaction and why that was the thing? Because I have to confess I'm not a comics guy, and I'm not really into even those two characters cinematic adaptations, either.

00;47;07;05 - 00;47;08;06
JOSH
So. So I don't know.

00;47;08;19 - 00;47;09;01
RUSS
What the.

00;47;09;03 - 00;47;29;17
MURRAY
Right thing is because they are. They're the most popular like movies and like everyone's favorite, so they are so like overhyped by mostly fans like the movies actually don't do it. That bad movie stay. I feel like pretty good to them, but it's like the amount of people like I've had discussions on.

00;47;29;17 - 00;47;39;16
MURRAY
Like when I'm like, I go on these random rants, when I'm like streaming on Twitch, and someone was like trying to tell me that like, this can be the most nerdy thing, so feel free to cut it out.

00;47;39;16 - 00;47;40;16
MURRAY
But like, I'm talking.

00;47;40;16 - 00;47;41;13
JON
About Star Wars Hero, so.

00;47;41;18 - 00;47;42;01
[[MULTIPLE]]
That's true.

00;47;42;10 - 00;47;57;24
MURRAY
That definitely could could like, beat up Spider-Man. I was like, Get the fucking Spider-Man like Khalif sewer systems off of his head. Like, What are you doing? You're just talking about like, Hey, this is like a detective with like parental issues and like, you know.

00;47;58;00 - 00;47;58;20
[[MULTIPLE]]
Abandonment thing.

00;47;58;26 - 00;48;12;14
MURRAY
That like if you steal a TV, he breaks your back and blocks you up with like a sadistic clown. Like, this is how are you going to try to say that? Like, who would win in a fight? Like, I always have this joke with Johnny because people always ask, like, who would win or fight Batman?

00;48;12;14 - 00;48;25;14
MURRAY
Or It's like whoever you say next is going to win in the fight. I don't care. It could be Jubilee. It's just going to be Batman. Like, I don't know. And so that that's my my thing. And then Wolverine has the same thing where he's a cool character, but he's like, he's like a barroom brawler.

00;48;25;14 - 00;48;36;23
MURRAY
Like he's not. What are what are you doing like? He's just a grumpy man. You put him against anybody like Cyclops. It's just going to melt his face down to like the skeleton. Like, I don't know, like just by looking at him.

00;48;36;29 - 00;48;53;15
MURRAY
And so that does when they get all this like super love and hype. And it's just like it. Just it just drives me nuts. And I'm not even a comic. I just I think about overhyping of them when I'm like, Come on, the world's greatest detective can figure out where the fuck like Rachel was in awe.

00;48;53;16 - 00;49;00;16
MURRAY
Harvey Dent. Like what the like tell that to Rachel that he's the world's greatest detective. They're one she's like, blown up in pieces by Joker.

00;49;00;23 - 00;49;18;25
RUSS
I think I reference them more because I'm looking at Boba Fett is like, Well, maybe if you're like 90 Star Wars kid as a as a fan favorite in that sense, I mean, a lot of people other Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker, but like Boba Fett didn't have as much, obviously like prime time spotlight as a Wolverine or

00;49;19;10 - 00;49;32;17
RUSS
Batman. But definitely like there's a cool factor that applies to that character that carries through. So people like myself who like, I didn't want this show for seeing The Mandalorian scene, I didn't want him show up. I lost a bet.

00;49;32;18 - 00;49;44;24
RUSS
I said they'd never bring Boba Fett back. I lost a bet about it. He's a he's a fan favorite because he's cool because he's he's like, you can kind of project onto him because there's a lot out there.

00;49;45;09 - 00;49;53;13
RUSS
Yeah, Wolverine is just a brawler. But his cool factor, the cinematic versions of both Batman and will bring are not great. In my opinion. It's but yeah, so.

00;49;53;22 - 00;50;10;07
JOSH
So you just made me think of something that I've been meaning to bring up. I'm always kind of wondering what, if any, and I'm assuming none at all. But what if any resemblance the show had to the Josh Trank movie version of Boba Fett that was announced on was in the works.

00;50;10;16 - 00;50;27;19
JOSH
I'm assuming nothing because I have a feeling that that was its own thing, and then that was pre Mandalorian and pre sort of this pivot from blockbuster movies into streaming TV series. And obviously, Favreau and Filoni. I'm assuming we're given a blank.

00;50;27;21 - 00;50;38;07
JOSH
Check to do whatever the hell they wanted. The reason I thought of that is because I have a feeling that Josh Trank love of that movie may have been more in line with the character that you have in your head.

00;50;38;13 - 00;50;46;00
JOSH
He seems a fan of the same time period, I assume, is pure speculation. I don't know anything, but that's just what that made me think of. John.

00;50;46;08 - 00;51;04;06
JON
There's a lot of things that just happen right there. We're talking about different versions of both set before I forget. Wasn't there a game like Star Wars 1313 is like Uncharted, and they were there. They showed the trailer for But I never came out and they revealed that was supposed to be the Boba Fett game.

00;51;04;20 - 00;51;22;09
JON
And it was like, you go into the underworld of Khorasan or Nah shadow, whatever the heck. So I imagine it's probably in line of like. You're this operative dude who ends up becoming an anti-hero who because by nature of being the main character of the game by the end of it, even if it is like Cannon for

00;51;22;09 - 00;51;37;04
JON
Lucas Arts to do that before they've got sequels done, they probably would have made him a good guy by the end of it anyway. You know, I mean, they're even talking about making the Underworld a Star Wars show back after Revenge of the Sith came out and Daniel Logan might have been in as the Boba Fett.

00;51;37;05 - 00;51;45;26
JON
Maybe he was the actor that played the kid Boba Fett? No, I guarantee you they would have made him a good guy in that it's only a matter of time. But yeah, well.

00;51;46;00 - 00;52;02;00
JOSH
So it's interesting because the prequels, especially attack of the Clones, Russ, I think a lot of the changes in the character, the fundamental changes in the character where it kind of deviates from the nineties version of the character is really Attack of the Clones when you see him as a little kid and you see his father without

00;52;02;00 - 00;52;02;20
JOSH
his helmet on.

00;52;04;01 - 00;52;05;26
JON
Yeah, but also of.

00;52;06;11 - 00;52;14;28
RUSS
The drama, though, like he has, he has a life altering incident like like, who's his guardian after that? The Water Planet people I can't remember now.

00;52;15;17 - 00;52;21;04
JOSH
So they so they get into it a bit in the The Clone Wars cartoon. But John, I'm sorry, I cut you off.

00;52;21;19 - 00;52;39;22
JON
Well, I was going to say I was like, I do think that people like characters like Batman and Wolverine are good examples of like, I feel like a lot of the issues that people have with the show because, you know, like I, I see where both Murray and Russell are coming from, and Murray and I talk about

00;52;39;22 - 00;52;49;28
JON
it a lot because I because I used to joke like like scenes of the Batman discussions. I'm like, Batman's greatest villains are like a clown that says dad jokes. And I do this obsessed with rhyming.

00;52;50;04 - 00;52;52;19
[[MULTIPLE]]
You know, it's like, this is like.

00;52;52;28 - 00;53;09;21
JON
You know, like the point being, it's like when you really think about who these people are. Batman is a guy who dresses up as a bat, who's got rage issues, who fights like basically petty crime, and he's a detective on like a street level.

00;53;09;21 - 00;53;27;02
JON
That's who he is. And then because of his popularity, he can like, knock out God and like Wolverine. When he first came out, the guy who made Wolverine who was like, you know, be the best actor to play him, Bob Hoskins, you know, he's like the short stout built, like a brick shithouse like Charles Bronson character.

00;53;27;04 - 00;53;40;23
JON
I support Ugly, who's five foot two in the comics, I think. And like, there's a reason why he doesn't get Jean Gray in the comics. It's not because, like, it's it's not. It's because of everything. It's like, why would she be interested in him?

00;53;41;04 - 00;53;56;14
JON
You know, but in the movies, he's like six foot three tall, dashing, handsome Hugh Jackman. And then he actually look at the comics. Wolverine becomes more handsome, more capable. He basically becomes fucking immortal in the comics, and he wins every conflict.

00;53;57;00 - 00;54;06;19
JON
So I feel like we set it's a couple episodes ago, but when you think about Boba Fett, it's like he just told Vader were Han was that's how econom.

00;54;08;04 - 00;54;08;28
[[MULTIPLE]]
He tracked him.

00;54;08;28 - 00;54;19;24
JON
He's like, Dude, he's in fucking South Jersey. They showed up in South Jersey and the cops are waiting for him. And it's just like, Oh, you got me? And like, and then he wasn't a good fighter. He just started cool.

00;54;19;24 - 00;54;38;14
JON
But like, there's a little nuggets, though, like no disintegration. He talks as the Vader Vader lets him sass him. Like, so there's like, there's something there. He's dangerous. There's something there is. No, he said. I totally agree with that assessment, but we are in a world now where it's like they are establishing a character that like borderline

00;54;38;14 - 00;54;48;22
JON
didn't exist. So I kind of feel like OK with wherever they go with him, as long as it's not like him, I don't know, becoming like a fisherman or something like that, you know?

00;54;48;24 - 00;54;55;01
RUSS
But what do they say? History is written by the victors. Like, you know, a little bit. Yeah, Disney gets to decide who he is.

00;54;55;01 - 00;55;01;01
JON
And but I don't even think it's Disney. I know it's just, you know, it's like, Is this alone? Who is this person?

00;55;01;17 - 00;55;05;06
JOSH
So what I want to say, so what I want to say, like we keep saying the D word is if I.

00;55;05;06 - 00;55;08;09
JON
Don't think I think they're just there, I don't think they're that deep into it.

00;55;08;17 - 00;55;15;16
JOSH
I guarantee you, if George Lucas was making this show, it would be exactly the same thing. I mean, probably weirder.

00;55;15;25 - 00;55;23;13
JON
Maybe even more visually stunning. Maybe he's a little more new things you put into it, but I feel like I agree with both Josh. I think I'll be almost the same thing.

00;55;24;02 - 00;55;38;29
RUSS
I'm saying Disney as an overall like this is the Disney era of Star Wars. Yes, whatever, whatever. Like, there's there's no like Disney entity that's controlling necessarily. I don't know who's making decisions. I don't know what mandates they have on a chalkboard that they have to follow.

00;55;39;09 - 00;55;49;01
RUSS
Plug this and plug this. I don't know any of that is. I'm just looking at from a pure character standpoint. So but Disney is not, you know, it's just more of like a placeholder for in this short time story.

00;55;49;07 - 00;55;53;13
JOSH
Like the Disney era. Yeah. Distinct from the Lucas era. No. Yeah, I got you.

00;55;53;17 - 00;56;09;21
MURRAY
The thing that is fun about this show is it is like, it's like fan fiction, right? And that's kind of like why we're watching because it's we made this joke last week to it's so clearly written by people that like love Star Wars action figures that they're like, OK, we need Boba Fett right now, ranker.

00;56;09;21 - 00;56;24;06
MURRAY
We need him to blow up the Sarlacc Pit, like, and it's just like all these like cool things that you would do when you're playing with action figures, but they're able to just like throw millions and millions of dollars at it and make it a TV show and stuff like that.

00;56;24;06 - 00;56;42;28
MURRAY
So it is basically like the most fan fiction that you could get for Boba Fett because it's just like it's like Jon Favreau and Robert Rodriguez just and Dave Filoni just playing with their Star Wars action figures. And so that it is fun, but it also like you would when I played with action figures like it was

00;56;42;28 - 00;56;59;26
MURRAY
weird. Like there's like things didn't always like, make sense, but this just is like, so polished. And there's like, it's what Johnny was saying in the first episode you guys recorded. It's like, I'm like, relieved now at the end of this episode that there was like different languages being spoken from, like the aliens.

00;56;59;26 - 00;57;02;17
MURRAY
And I was like, All right, they all don't sound like they're from.

00;57;03;16 - 00;57;04;28
[[MULTIPLE]]
New York or.

00;57;04;29 - 00;57;06;08
MURRAY
Queens or something like that?

00;57;06;15 - 00;57;18;29
JOSH
Speaking of that scene with new Barca and that casino, whatever that place, I thought, I thought that was pretty cool. And I love when, like the proprietor, whatever is played by Jessica Biel is really trying to talk him down.

00;57;19;04 - 00;57;24;06
JOSH
And you thought that, you know, maybe for a second, he might say, and then he just knock and he rips the dude's arm off anyway.

00;57;24;09 - 00;57;25;02
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah, that's pretty good.

00;57;25;07 - 00;57;26;09
JON
And he gives the money back.

00;57;26;21 - 00;57;27;04
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah.

00;57;28;26 - 00;57;31;22
JOSH
And what was the line that Boba Fett said?

00;57;31;23 - 00;57;32;15
JON
Right, right?

00;57;33;03 - 00;57;34;11
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah.

00;57;35;01 - 00;57;44;09
MICKEY
The two things are, say, aids directly. That was something I wanted to mention. That was that scene specifically like it. Almost like I kind of we're talking about like where like, I feel like the show has been cool, visually cool.

00;57;44;09 - 00;57;51;05
MICKEY
But of the writing is kind of a hit or miss. For me, that was like the one thing where it's like, Oh, that's good dialog they gave. They gave Jessica Biel like, Yeah, and she knocked out of the park, too.

00;57;51;20 - 00;57;52;23
MICKEY
No, she did. Yeah.

00;57;52;24 - 00;57;56;11
JON
No. Is it Jessica Biel or Jennifer Beals? Oh, wait, yeah.

00;57;56;11 - 00;57;58;26
MICKEY
Jennifer Beals. Jennifer Beals is Janet Jackson Jennifer.

00;57;59;13 - 00;57;59;25
MURRAY
For.

00;57;59;28 - 00;58;00;05
RUSS
Being.

00;58;00;06 - 00;58;00;27
[[MULTIPLE]]
Such a classic.

00;58;01;01 - 00;58;01;11
MURRAY
Too?

00;58;01;24 - 00;58;01;28
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah.

00;58;03;02 - 00;58;07;09
JON
It's it's very similar names, but Jennifer Beals from Flashdance for five.

00;58;07;13 - 00;58;07;27
MICKEY
Yeah, yeah.

00;58;08;12 - 00;58;10;06
MURRAY
You mean prophecy to John? You misspoke.

00;58;10;10 - 00;58;11;25
[[MULTIPLE]]
That's, you know, that was.

00;58;11;25 - 00;58;22;27
MICKEY
Just like so many great like just like well-written Diana. Well, deliver dialog and like that that just that capper from just I wish there was maybe a little bit more weird blue blood in there or something, or they focused a little bit more.

00;58;23;06 - 00;58;28;18
MICKEY
And like I said, like, I think she's like, probably the best actor in the show, just every scene she does. Yeah.

00;58;28;22 - 00;58;39;26
JOSH
So on that note, I actually really think it's more Morrison is really killing it. Like, I think it's doing a really good job like, you know, separate from what from what you think of the character like, I think he's really nailing it.

00;58;40;02 - 00;58;49;19
JOSH
And that's been a mirror you alluded to a bit earlier The Godfather scene where like, there are moments where I feel like he's literally doing a Marlon Brando in The.

00;58;49;20 - 00;58;50;28
[[MULTIPLE]]
Godfather like.

00;58;50;28 - 00;58;59;22
JOSH
Impression, sort of like the hand gestures. And I don't know, like, I really dig it. I think it's cool. And this is a small thing, but I really love the way he pronounces tattooing.

00;59;00;06 - 00;59;01;07
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah, like, like.

00;59;01;15 - 00;59;02;09
MURRAY
He's from there.

00;59;02;09 - 00;59;06;14
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah, exactly. Like Barcelona native Barcelona. Yeah. Right, exactly.

00;59;08;00 - 00;59;13;18
JOSH
Tattooing what he as an actor is bringing to this character, I think is really pretty cool.

00;59;13;18 - 00;59;15;03
RUSS
He's acting as card out on there.

00;59;15;14 - 00;59;16;16
JON
Yeah, no. The graphics?

00;59;16;16 - 00;59;18;21
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's doing the best he.

00;59;18;21 - 00;59;21;22
RUSS
Can with what I think he's giving, like he's making here.

00;59;22;13 - 00;59;23;26
JON
But the gravitas that comes to it.

00;59;24;04 - 00;59;29;06
JOSH
It just makes me even more mad at that. At that Boba Fett is worse than polio article Yeah.

00;59;29;06 - 00;59;31;00
[[MULTIPLE]]
Because one of the things.

00;59;31;19 - 00;59;42;18
JOSH
one of the things that that that guy specifically called out was how to more Morphet was to more effect tomorrow. Morrison was like, not good in it.

00;59;42;25 - 00;59;49;24
JON
And dude, I don't wanna be. I just saw a headline after this episode came out like, Boba Fett is dead. Like, Dude, stop it.

00;59;50;03 - 00;59;51;12
[[MULTIPLE]]
Because like brings.

00;59;51;14 - 00;59;59;08
MURRAY
Nuances to it. Like, like in the what I joked with my wife, the Harry and the Hendersons scene where he's still in the bath to go and he's like.

00;59;59;15 - 01;00;00;12
[[MULTIPLE]]
Not wanted here.

01;00;02;09 - 01;00;21;19
MURRAY
But but even the idea, like you get the feeling even in the scene where it's like feeding him to like being how he was raised, like, you know, and the idea of being a clone like he he like kind of alludes is like he hates the idea of things being captive and held when they could be free

01;00;21;19 - 01;00;34;19
MURRAY
and they should be free. So like the second that he because he even Fennec sounds right, she says like, Oh, you should have held onto him until we were done with the mission or at least had your shit bag or something along those lines and like.

01;00;34;26 - 01;00;53;17
MURRAY
But it's just like, so maybe I think that this is something that me and John have talked about to because we like to rage, send each other bad Instagram stuff. But like when people talk about like, Oh, the the the range of like Leo, it's always like they'll show Leonardo DiCaprio screaming and then like crying.

01;00;53;17 - 01;01;07;05
MURRAY
And there's like, No, there's a whole range of fucking emotions there. But I think that's why maybe Boba Fett is getting the the short end of the stick because he's using a lot of like subtlety and a nuance.

01;01;07;05 - 01;01;20;28
MURRAY
And yeah, maybe it's not the greatest. He doesn't hit like strike gold every time, but like, I feel like they need the like Viola Davis, like snot pouring down her nose to be like, That's good acting. Like, it's like, OK, I guess maybe.

01;01;20;29 - 01;01;37;13
JON
And to your point, too, I think, to bring it even a step further, since Boba Fett is a clone, he's probably used to people thinking of him as a thing. So I think he's got a soft spot for four things living animals that are used as equipment like a bentham.

01;01;37;24 - 01;01;44;10
JON
Yeah. So like a panther is not. It's like a car to many people, but to Boba Fett, and it's like a living partner.

01;01;44;18 - 01;01;54;26
MURRAY
He like, gives him his foot in the desert, gives him his food. It shows that he has food for himself, too, but like he like, gives him the food out of his mouth, like because they're in the fucking desert.

01;01;54;26 - 01;01;55;05
MURRAY
Like.

01;01;55;22 - 01;02;07;01
JON
They got no respect you and you're here. Not necessarily by choice, but I consider you almost like a it might be a little like projecting on my part, but like. He's like, you're my partner now in this mission, so I'm going to treat you as such.

01;02;07;02 - 01;02;10;04
MURRAY
I'm not using you as a car or horse like I like.

01;02;10;04 - 01;02;10;25
JON
You're not my back.

01;02;11;13 - 01;02;13;27
JOSH
That character would not call his ship slave.

01;02;14;07 - 01;02;17;26
JON
Exactly. Yeah. So it's a good it's a good kind of sorts.

01;02;18;05 - 01;02;30;08
JOSH
What I'm saying, though, is that that starts with Attack of the Clones continues through the Clone Wars series. So it's not. What I'm trying to get at is that this depiction of the character is not coming from nowhere.

01;02;30;08 - 01;02;38;11
JOSH
It's actually building upon the initial retcon, which I think happened in 2002 with the attack of the Clones many years ago.

01;02;38;20 - 01;02;43;21
MURRAY
I had a question on this topic. I I don't mean to keep putting Russell off, but this is directed for him.

01;02;43;25 - 01;02;45;06
JON
Russell never speak again.

01;02;45;06 - 01;02;50;09
MURRAY
Yeah, because he's Russell's the resident Boba Fett expert, right? So what I'm.

01;02;50;19 - 01;02;52;11
[[MULTIPLE]]
Wondering is, well.

01;02;52;19 - 01;03;09;27
MURRAY
The helmet in the background of your screen tells me so did. Does he ever refer to his ship as the slave one at any point? Or is that like a nickname? Because, you know, like how Jabba has all his dancers and stuff like that in chains like is like Boba Fett, the one that like brings them like

01;03;09;27 - 01;03;21;06
MURRAY
, you know, did he work for Joplin? So that was almost like a nickname for his ship, like, Oh, there comes a slave one. He's going to just turn you over to Jabba for money, and then you're going to end up being like Jabba slaves.

01;03;21;19 - 01;03;22;03
[[MULTIPLE]]
Or, you know.

01;03;22;16 - 01;03;24;01
JOSH
He had like the Slave.

01;03;24;12 - 01;03;27;17
[[MULTIPLE]]
two, right? Yeah. Then yeah.

01;03;27;22 - 01;03;32;17
MURRAY
I was trying to get too deep into the character when it's like, Nope, he is just an asshole at one point.

01;03;33;03 - 01;03;53;21
RUSS
So well, I couldn't answer. Like, like, I don't know, like necessarily all the specific nuances of like, you know what? He what he would call it. And again, I think given the opportunity like, yeah, because he never said it, because no one else referred to the ship as that in in the movies or, you know, subsequent visual

01;03;53;21 - 01;04;04;17
RUSS
interpretations of Star Wars. Yeah, I think you can totally freak on that and call it whatever you want. So I think being upset about that is kind of pointless. It might have been referenced in Shadows of the Empire.

01;04;05;14 - 01;04;11;24
RUSS
Maybe that's the only. And the thing is, like, again, like the shadows empire, is that considered a legacy?

01;04;12;15 - 01;04;13;27
JON
I think it's I mean, I, you know, I.

01;04;13;27 - 01;04;14;23
JOSH
Think it is legacy.

01;04;14;23 - 01;04;16;19
RUSS
Because it starts with individual.

01;04;17;21 - 01;04;23;25
JOSH
Yeah, well, the Marvel Star Wars comic, I think, has a different version of events between Empire and.

01;04;24;02 - 01;04;24;13
JON
Its true.

01;04;24;13 - 01;04;25;27
JOSH
Jedi, I believe.

01;04;26;02 - 01;04;35;04
RUSS
Kind of go, I did want to say that, yeah, Jennifer Beals was a highlight of the episode for me. So as a Flashdance fan, I have fashion.

01;04;35;07 - 01;04;36;04
MURRAY
And prophecy too.

01;04;36;18 - 01;04;38;10
JON
And she was really good in that scene.

01;04;38;16 - 01;04;41;10
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah. You know, she was there. She killed it.

01;04;41;20 - 01;04;43;19
JON
She came up and she owned the entire thing.

01;04;43;27 - 01;04;56;24
RUSS
I guess one of things that reminded me of it and seeing her again and seeing that, I think we've been to this, this bar three times now. Yeah, like certain, the show like knowing that he's going to take over Jabba's Palace and its holdings.

01;04;57;18 - 01;05;15;25
RUSS
I already had tattooing fatigue in general and like, like heavy, heavy and especially this with like The Mandalorian returning. And like knowing that there be future shows there, like I have while tattooing fatigue, I don't want to see it anymore, and he's literally chained to this point.

01;05;15;26 - 01;05;30;28
RUSS
Are you stuck there because he is trying to take over the business of the previous crime lord of whether that's fair or the planet as a whole? I'm not really sure what the what the sprawl of that criminal empire is.

01;05;31;08 - 01;05;46;02
RUSS
But the thing that would accept me about Boba Fett is that he's a character who would be taking bounties and b off planet and being visiting new things. We saw some of that in The Mandalorian. And so one of my thoughts was like, I would love to have seen him go on the these bounty trips and see

01;05;46;02 - 01;06;06;04
RUSS
him getting off planet and showing us some more. And so that so being stuck on Twitter, we kind of always reminds me that like you have to enjoy like the little bits that we get when we can. And I did think that seeing Fennecs body reconstruction in that parlor going way back was interesting.

01;06;06;18 - 01;06;22;11
RUSS
And that's something we hadn't seen before. I will say this as someone who has done a significant amount of soldering in my life. The actual electronic components was super embarrassing for Star, who was like, I really don't want to see you twisting two wires together and doing like a nice clean solder coat on that like where there

01;06;22;12 - 01;06;35;24
RUSS
can be like a wire over that. As like, this is the worst representation of Star Wars technology I've ever seen ever. As like, this really does look like the lowest budget technology I've ever cosplay.

01;06;36;04 - 01;06;38;01
[[MULTIPLE]]
And I really think so. Yes.

01;06;38;13 - 01;06;42;29
JON
It's fantasy first sci fi distance, second arrest.

01;06;43;02 - 01;06;54;12
JOSH
I really do appreciate and I mean this genuinely, I'm not being sarcastic. I really do appreciate the things that you get hung up on because they're so niche and like no one else, would get hung up on.

01;06;55;03 - 01;06;56;01
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah, it's also, yeah.

01;06;56;21 - 01;06;59;03
JON
My life because I never go the other.

01;06;59;03 - 01;07;03;07
[[MULTIPLE]]
Fuck the show red and black wires bullshit.

01;07;05;19 - 01;07;17;22
JOSH
Though I do have to say whatever the mechanism was, it kind of reminded me for a second of the the internal mechanism of Luke's hand, like the pneumatic, whatever. OK, so that's like the spine, whereas in Luke's hand it was like, you know, more delicate tendons.

01;07;18;05 - 01;07;24;04
RUSS
But what would you like to see more like Ridley Scott milk situation going on? I feel like that would have been more like organic.

01;07;24;05 - 01;07;38;09
JOSH
Like the other thing about that one thing I do want to talk about a little I've always had like this weird thing with body horror in particular, when characters bodies are transformed, are there without their knowledge or their consent.

01;07;38;10 - 01;07;52;26
JOSH
And so so I was really bracing myself for for what her reaction was going to be when she she woke up and she discovered that she was half machine now. You know, if played realistically, would probably be a pretty horrifying moment.

01;07;53;08 - 01;07;58;29
JOSH
And I appreciated that her reaction was like, like, mild surprise, and then she just kind of.

01;07;58;29 - 01;07;59;29
[[MULTIPLE]]
Went with it. Mm hmm.

01;08;00;28 - 01;08;05;28
JOSH
And maybe this is where it comes from, actually. But I saw the original RoboCop when I was way too young.

01;08;06;17 - 01;08;06;29
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah, I mean.

01;08;07;08 - 01;08;08;07
MURRAY
Like all of us, yeah.

01;08;10;22 - 01;08;17;05
JOSH
And there was always something that really unnerved me, the idea that he was made into a robot. He had no say in.

01;08;17;05 - 01;08;17;17
MURRAY
Center.

01;08;17;24 - 01;08;31;03
JOSH
Right. So knowing that a lot of kids are watching this and I was very curious how they were going to play her reaction. And I thought that she played it exactly right, which also John says something about the character.

01;08;31;03 - 01;08;38;16
JOSH
She's like, she knows what line of work she's in. She she knows that she could be dead. She wakes up and she's like, Oh shit, I'm part droid now where.

01;08;39;02 - 01;08;50;29
JON
I think that was a highlight for exactly what you said for me as well, because as her character, as in her line of work, who is basically just an assassin? Yeah, she was basically dead, so she was resurrected from the dead.

01;08;51;08 - 01;09;02;17
JON
So I think she's like, you said she's like in her mind, she's like, All right, I'm not. And it's not like body modification is like new to her. So she's like, I'm not dead. I've realized this is what you had to do.

01;09;02;17 - 01;09;04;25
JON
I've realized that you only had like 40 minutes to do.

01;09;04;25 - 01;09;05;23
[[MULTIPLE]]
It before I was going to be.

01;09;05;23 - 01;09;15;06
JON
Completely tossed. And she's like, OK, like, what do I owe you? And then like, she's getting down to brass tacks, which I thought says a lot about her character, which I thought was kind of cool.

01;09;15;09 - 01;09;27;20
MICKEY
I finally, like, got like all the. Odds are connected through the. I think it's clearly some sort of connection with the Luke and situation that is supposed to be like, oh, that was some technology that's now dispersed to the youth of the galaxy or something like that.

01;09;27;21 - 01;09;30;23
MURRAY
I'm so embarrassed. I just got that right now when you said that.

01;09;31;00 - 01;09;41;16
MICKEY
Yeah. And then the other thing I want to say, too is like, from what I understood, from what I read, the slave one was specifically just a toy. Like when they put out the toy, they're like, Well, we got to call it something, and they just slapped it like it was just Hasbro.

01;09;41;24 - 01;09;42;28
[[MULTIPLE]]
That's OK. Yeah.

01;09;43;06 - 01;09;59;05
JOSH
Oh, that's interesting. OK, well, then. OK, well, that makes sense to me. The other thing I will say about the the mod parlor and the mods I appreciated seeing like a subculture on this planet that we hadn't seen before, and it really made a lot of sense to me, actually, if you think about it, because if there's

01;09;59;05 - 01;10;12;16
JOSH
a bright center to the universe, this is the planet that it's farthest from, right? So these kids have to find some way to occupy their time, and it makes sense that they would start to like mod themselves with spare parts or whatever.

01;10;12;21 - 01;10;22;02
JOSH
And I really liked this kind of hybrid punk, modest static they have in the parlor and there's style and vibe. I really dug that, and I think somebody mentioned the music in that scene.

01;10;22;12 - 01;10;23;16
RUSS
I like the music.

01;10;23;26 - 01;10;25;23
JOSH
I done, the music I loved. The music was great.

01;10;25;24 - 01;10;27;14
JON
I actually like the music to in.

01;10;27;23 - 01;10;31;04
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yes, on its own. It just took me out of.

01;10;31;27 - 01;10;35;05
JOSH
I actually got the music throughout. This episode was actually pretty good.

01;10;35;05 - 01;10;41;09
RUSS
I did it because I don't. We can talk about the score. Yeah, it's not Gorenstein. It's another no no choruses done to me. I hear.

01;10;41;09 - 01;10;44;28
JOSH
The theme. Yeah, right? Yeah, he did the theme, but someone else is scoring the episodes.

01;10;45;02 - 01;10;53;28
RUSS
Yeah, it's not. It's not hitting for me. It's not. It's not meshing for me. That's why I thought when I heard the music in the parlor, I was like, I like this. I want more. Yeah, right?

01;10;54;13 - 01;11;05;18
JOSH
Was so yeah. So I felt like there was a little more of that throughout the episode. I thought that that same with the techno sort of, yeah, whatever. I thought that popped up a little more elsewhere in the episode.

01;11;05;18 - 01;11;06;15
JOSH
I could be wrong about that.

01;11;06;16 - 01;11;15;22
MURRAY
I see for me, it's just like, I think, why it took me out of it, because in all of Star Wars, the only music that we know they have is some weird jazz jam.

01;11;16;19 - 01;11;17;23
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah, there we go.

01;11;18;17 - 01;11;19;14
JOSH
The universe fan.

01;11;20;02 - 01;11;30;24
MURRAY
You know? And then even in Jobs's house, when they have the singer with the animated, it's horrible. But still, it's always this like kind of jazz jazz.

01;11;30;25 - 01;11;31;12
JOSH
Yes, I think.

01;11;31;12 - 01;11;33;15
[[MULTIPLE]]
It's almost like this. Yeah.

01;11;33;24 - 01;11;45;16
MURRAY
And then all of a sudden you go into this like mad parlor. And you know, it's since the since New Hope all the way through. Now, it's the first time you're like walking into a scene as like good sports and sports.

01;11;45;28 - 01;11;47;21
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah, it's like what I like about it.

01;11;47;28 - 01;11;54;01
MURRAY
But what it's like to me, what was jarring is like, they have this music. They all I knew was like martinet running.

01;11;54;29 - 01;12;09;20
JON
But those those are always like gangster scenes. When you listen to those jazz songs, even in Solo with Paul Bettany, they're like gangsters. So it's like, it's like all those gangsters are probably obsessed with, like Frankie Blue Eyes, you know, we're just like, Oh, listen to the same old shit.

01;12;09;21 - 01;12;17;06
JON
Meanwhile, like, Motley Crue is playing down the street and they don't give a shit, you know, like, yeah, so it's like, it's just there's got to be more music scenes than the galaxy.

01;12;17;15 - 01;12;18;02
[[MULTIPLE]]
You know.

01;12;18;12 - 01;12;21;27
MURRAY
You would think, but we haven't heard any until this very episode.

01;12;22;06 - 01;12;22;16
[[MULTIPLE]]
You know.

01;12;22;23 - 01;12;29;29
JON
Meanwhile, the music, the Star Wars, as always, John Williams is totally different from jazz. So there's like a little disco to be something.

01;12;30;06 - 01;12;42;21
JOSH
I think that speaks to what John mentioned last episode like what is Star Wars? What fits in Star Wars? What do you accept as a part of the esthetic and what kind of takes you out of it? And that's something that I think for every person is a little.

01;12;42;22 - 01;12;55;18
JOSH
The line is is not in the same place. And I think that I mean, it depends on the execution. It's a balancing act like we were talking about. And sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. And even when it does work, it's not going to work for everybody and vice versa.

01;12;55;19 - 01;13;07;10
JON
I do like that music and to connect with what my note actually was, which is basically like, there are a number of things that I really did like about the episode that had a lot of the visual flair to it.

01;13;07;21 - 01;13;22;17
JON
And the mod scene, I thought was really good. It's funny because like, you know, I can nitpick about, like, maybe they look too rich. Maybe they don't. Maybe they seem a little too distracted and or whatever. I don't know.

01;13;22;24 - 01;13;39;05
JON
But when they show up to the mod place and this episode, you see the people with, like with the goggle eyes, and then there's a one woman with a glowing red eyes like those images were being like burned into my brain because I'm like, That's so fucking cool.

01;13;39;09 - 01;13;55;28
JON
Like, and they they they seem to have like a lot more effort in this episode to show how cool those things were as compared to like the first time you see them where there's a slap some like plastic on their face, like exactly like they're a robot and like, Oh, OK, but like, this is like they're really

01;13;55;28 - 01;14;13;23
JON
using the advanced technology of filmmaking today to do some cool shit. And I was like, That was awesome. And you know, like, I was actually having a moment that I it sounds so weird because it's not like anything special in the content of what I was watching the episode, I was having a moment that I had when

01;14;13;23 - 01;14;34;01
JON
I was a little kid watching Star Wars and. When I was a little kid, certain small images of those movies, fine details get burned into my brain. one of them is in the Empire Strikes Back of Luke's lightsaber in the snow, shifting with his end, like just shifting as he's trying to force pull.

01;14;34;01 - 01;14;49;10
JON
And then for some reason, I don't know why the details of the health and all that stuff got into my head. Or like when Obi-Wan Kenobi pulls the lever in the Death Star. You see? The power level is going down, that's in my head, you know, and like the weird lights and this happened this episode.

01;14;49;22 - 01;15;06;17
JON
Now I don't know why, but it was one that little drone with the red lights is go into the hallways of Java's Palace. I was like, I was like, I have like an out-of-body experience, and I was like, I bet you if this was like four year old me, these this image would just stick in my head

01;15;06;17 - 01;15;26;22
JON
for the rest of my life. And like, I might not remember anything else about the show. But I remember the image of the rug ball going to the hallway and like, and I'm just so happy that like there, they're still attempting to do these strong visual images, you know, whether it's a throwaway shot or not, it's like

01;15;27;01 - 01;15;36;26
JON
there's just something still there to latch on to, you know? And I don't know. I was just like, it was like in this episode, I was like, Oh, there is, there is that image that's going to connect to my toddler self.

01;15;37;06 - 01;15;37;29
[[MULTIPLE]]
And like, it's like.

01;15;38;09 - 01;15;42;03
JON
It's like a throwaway shot. But I appreciate the effort that they're putting into it.

01;15;42;19 - 01;15;47;08
JOSH
I think that's really cool that you had that experience. I think that's I think that's really awesome.

01;15;47;10 - 01;16;01;25
MURRAY
Really quick first and talk the talk about RoboCop real quick to this day because I watched them when I was so young Thursday. When I'm playing video games anywhere from back to Goldeneye to now, if I'm aiming a gun, I always have like no internet or an internet or an internet because that's what.

01;16;03;18 - 01;16;07;13
[[MULTIPLE]]
He's got his hand. Yeah, yeah. OK, so.

01;16;08;05 - 01;16;22;26
MURRAY
But one thing I really did like about this episode was, I mentioned it earlier was the kind of video game esthetic where they keep returning to the same locations where I do understand the burnout of of it, but I like the fact that they're traveling to places.

01;16;22;26 - 01;16;37;07
MURRAY
It felt very season one of Game of Thrones before they unlocked fast travel and was just like able to go between checkpoints. But like, it had that feel to me, it's like, All right, so if you if you're at Jabba's Palace and you want to go to the bar, you have to like, this is how you do

01;16;37;07 - 01;16;49;10
MURRAY
it and then you have to go back. So I did like that because it kind of seemed like like quests in in a video game or something like that. So I did like that and I like that they're doing that and I'm sure they'll.

01;16;50;12 - 01;17;01;21
MURRAY
It's obviously easier for them to cut that out, because it's not, you know, a month long journey, it's just maybe a few hours, but the fact that they're showing it, I think, is like kind of cool and it does.

01;17;02;13 - 01;17;13;23
MURRAY
It fills time. And so it could almost go into the treading water aspect of it, but also like builds the world more where it's like, you know, this is this is it. There's like desert, a ton of desert.

01;17;13;23 - 01;17;25;16
MURRAY
And then there's like some bars and a mod shop and then a gangster palace and then and it takes forever to get between them. If you don't have a speeder bike, so I really like that, that makes sense.

01;17;25;18 - 01;17;36;05
JOSH
I have a question and I don't know if there's an answer, but I really like this episode a lot. I feel like I liked it the most, and I had like zero problems with it. Why do you think that is.

01;17;39;07 - 01;17;39;27
[[MULTIPLE]]
The flashback.

01;17;39;27 - 01;17;40;10
MURRAY
Aspect.

01;17;40;10 - 01;17;53;08
JON
Of it? I think, well, one a couple of things. one, I think, because I know how your brain is. I know everything about you. Gosh, I can tell you how I got kicked. Well, one, I think it kind of connections.

01;17;53;08 - 01;18;09;02
JON
What I was saying was they were trying really hard to visually tell some interesting ideas with the shots, but also you're a big godfather fan. And I feel like maybe by the end of that, when they finally got into The Godfather stuff, it kind of like resonated on some level, you know, like, maybe they're getting closer to

01;18;09;02 - 01;18;09;10
JON
that.

01;18;09;18 - 01;18;11;01
MURRAY
I'm a very small part.

01;18;11;01 - 01;18;18;16
JOSH
Of it, though. I mean, I guess like if I have to level a criticism like I thought it was perhaps a little too on the nose in terms of the godfather reference.

01;18;18;16 - 01;18;21;01
JON
Like the car comes out, it's like it's just my son, Sonny.

01;18;21;10 - 01;18;24;12
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah, that yeah.

01;18;25;03 - 01;18;32;13
JOSH
That's was cool. He was having them meet over a rancor pit, and when they I realized, holy shit that I thought.

01;18;32;13 - 01;18;34;15
MURRAY
Were great display of power. Yeah, yeah.

01;18;34;23 - 01;18;35;23
JON
Yeah, big power moves.

01;18;36;03 - 01;18;50;11
JOSH
Yeah, I thought that was a big power move. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. Look, in the Disney era of Star Wars. There have been more hits than misses for me, and I think it has to be particularly egregious for me to have a problem with it.

01;18;50;17 - 01;19;04;25
JOSH
I don't know why that is exactly, but I'm just really enjoying this show. I'm just returning to my initial reason for this podcast. Existing is the thing I love the most about Star Wars these days is talking about Star Wars, so.

01;19;04;29 - 01;19;16;08
JOSH
So I think unless something is just so incredibly off the mark, I'm just sort of here for the ride. I don't know if I've like, shut off a critical part of my brain. Like, I don't know.

01;19;16;08 - 01;19;17;18
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah, I feel like I.

01;19;17;26 - 01;19;21;24
MURRAY
Should, though that's what makes it like enjoyable because it's just like.

01;19;22;04 - 01;19;22;19
[[MULTIPLE]]
We're.

01;19;22;24 - 01;19;36;07
MURRAY
We're like actually talking about not like pat ourselves on the back, but we're actually talking about Star Wars. We're not just being like, Well, you're dumb for thinking that the way I think is the best because I ranked them by the age I was when I first saw them.

01;19;36;07 - 01;19;50;13
MURRAY
Like that me. But like so the idea that you can just be like, no, like, you know? And like with the Disney aspect of it, they are able to do cool stuff now just with technology like how I think.

01;19;50;13 - 01;20;03;24
MURRAY
Meanwhile, we're talking about like with the light sabers in in Force Awakens, like glowing off their faces, like, that's like something that's like cool that they weren't doing before. And now they they are. And I don't know. But yeah, I could see.

01;20;04;03 - 01;20;09;25
MURRAY
It's more enjoyable when you turn off the critical aspects and you're just like, Fuck it, it's fanfiction. It's fun. Let's just watch it. And.

01;20;10;27 - 01;20;11;20
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah, well.

01;20;11;21 - 01;20;35;29
JON
And also to go along with my final thoughts is like this, this this episode has got a lot of things going for. It's got good visuals. Just interesting images, the actors are always killing it. You know, it's got a fun action sequence in the kitchen, which brings up the whole Jim Henson, Fraggle Rock, Dark Crystal Yoda aspect

01;20;35;29 - 01;20;55;28
JON
of it. That like, it's kind of been missing for a while, you know, and it's just it's it's trying like it's it's trying to be interesting and I think it's succeeding. And I'm on board, man. Like, I haven't had like to go with what Josh is saying in the Disney era.

01;20;55;28 - 01;21;00;29
JON
I haven't had one huge sour note yet. You know, like at worst.

01;21;01;15 - 01;21;02;25
[[MULTIPLE]]
I know I.

01;21;02;25 - 01;21;03;27
JOSH
Have. But that's.

01;21;04;25 - 01;21;18;23
JON
OK. But like, we're even still even still like, I know a lot of people have a lot of opinions about maybe the last Star Wars movie, but like but even still like, I still enjoyed watching and I still think there's things in it that.

01;21;21;02 - 01;21;35;09
JON
That they are worth merit. And in this episode, like all the episodes, are as easy to go down, I nit pick about like, maybe like, well, OK, like why are we spending so much time on this storyline and that?

01;21;35;09 - 01;21;49;06
JON
But that's like my like 39 year old self trying to think about like like I just watch Taxi Driver the other day, which is a fucking masterpiece. And you know, also like, I didn't realize that like Marsha Lucas had a hand in editing that one as well until the opening credits.

01;21;49;16 - 01;22;08;04
JON
But but it's like it's we can't judge everything to the same lens. It's like that, especially when it's is like and for kids and stuff like that. And I and I do feel fortunate to have an out of body moment that you come at and Josh to where I was like, Oh, wow, like, I dunno, maybe if

01;22;08;04 - 01;22;17;20
JON
I really was like, like an adolescent again, this might be like my favorite show ever, you know? So on that level, like I'm I'm really enjoying it.

01;22;17;25 - 01;22;21;03
JOSH
So it's possible. If I were an adolescent again, I would fucking hate the show.

01;22;22;23 - 01;22;23;12
[[MULTIPLE]]
And an.

01;22;23;12 - 01;22;32;11
JON
Analysis of the approach. Well, I don't hate it now, I actually I would have loved that maybe even more than I like it now. I actually do like it a lot, you know?

01;22;33;04 - 01;22;42;13
JOSH
Yeah, maybe I would have loved it or hated it. I really don't know, because I'm not that 15 year old Star Wars fan that I used to be. I don't know what he would have thought of this. Any other closing thoughts.

01;22;43;01 - 01;22;44;06
MICKEY
Make Star Wars weird again.

01;22;45;23 - 01;22;50;09
JON
Heart again next time I hear it again. That's a good T-shirt makes.

01;22;50;09 - 01;22;51;25
[[MULTIPLE]]
Star Wars and.

01;22;51;25 - 01;22;59;06
MURRAY
We'll make it read. It won't be controversial. Be awesome, and we'll say, Let's go Boba Russ.

01;22;59;11 - 01;23;07;18
JOSH
I have more questions for you because I'm really interested in your perspective. I hope we can get into them on future episodes because I do have to wrap this up right now, but.

01;23;08;26 - 01;23;24;21
RUSS
I would just say that I thought the episode was interesting. Again, looking at the lens of this show is its own entity, separate from what I think it should be. I think it was probably more interesting than we've seen in the past and in any type of infiltration scene is interesting.

01;23;25;00 - 01;23;34;10
RUSS
I thought that was kind of fun. Seeing, you know, the kitchen in any universe is always kind of fun. You come up from the sewer in any, any movie, and I'm on board. I'm interested.

01;23;34;14 - 01;23;35;10
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah, yeah.

01;23;35;29 - 01;23;46;11
JOSH
I like that. On that note, we will be returning next week for episode five. Maybe some of the storm that was promised in those episodes gathered.

01;23;46;23 - 01;23;51;02
MURRAY
It's weird to be like more than halfway through, and they're like, All right, let's start telling the story now.

01;23;52;13 - 01;23;52;21
[[MULTIPLE]]
You're like.

01;23;52;21 - 01;23;53;28
JOSH
Let's start gathering the story.

01;23;53;28 - 01;23;54;20
MURRAY
Amble. Yeah.

01;23;54;29 - 01;24;02;16
JOSH
So join us next week when we will be talking about episode five of the gathering storm of the Book of Boba Fett. Thanks very much.