Tatooine is Stolen Land: BOOK OF BOBA FETT Episode 2

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Welcome to the trash compactor, I'm Josh, and today we are discussing episode two of the book of Boba Fett titled "The Tribes of Tatooine" the Junk Droids. Joining me in the trash compactor for this discussion today are Jon.

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JOSH
Hello, James. Hello. And Murray.

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MURRAY
Oh, hello.

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JOSH
So let's start with overall thoughts on episode two, and Jon, I want to throw it to you because I think this episode addressed some particular comments you made last time about the first episode.

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JON
Yeah, I specifically wanted the show to be weirder and be a little bit more magical and have some of those old school elements of like. The alien languages and the subtitles and all that, and they brought it, they had all the things that I basically thought was missing, and I felt like this episode should have been the

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JON
first episode of the show. Like this really gripped me. And they took some artistic chances with it. Yet it still felt like the old school trilogy, and I was just on board for all of it.

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JOSH
James overall thoughts?

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JAMES
Yeah, I kind of reflecting on what Jon said last episode. You know, I was I was thinking like this. This is the origin story I guess we were looking for of the man transformed like this was this was like, you know, if I was doing this comic book terminology, the first episode was like Issue zero, and this

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JAMES
was issue one where new Boba Fett gets his like his origin. We see the trials, we see the hero going through training. We got all of it and then we get them the feat that defines them. It's like, I guess, if you've got this Boba Fett version 2.0, like this is his like his his Boba Fett begins

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JAMES
episode, you know so and he gets the outfit at the end. So I enjoyed it. I mean, I enjoyed the first one, too, but this one really felt more solid than what we got in the first episode.

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JOSH
No. Yeah, that's a really good way of framing it, actually. It's like it's like his origin story for new for New Boba Fett. And I know one person who who may be listening in particular, who will be happy that they addressed the fact that he's wearing a black robe underneath.

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JOSH
If you're listening, I hope that made you happy. Murray overall thoughts about episode two.

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MURRAY
I, I, I liked it a lot. I'm like huge into westerns. So the fact that this leaned so heavy into westerns for the fact that there's a like a train heist, I was just like. And instead of like horses, there's a speeder bikes like.

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MURRAY
So we'll get into that like I do like. But it was weird because the first episode was a little bit like everybody was just talking like we are now like, Oh, hey, I'm from a distant galaxy, but I sound exactly like you with no accent and I might be from New Jersey.

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MURRAY
I'm not sure yet. So like, I like that the only thing that I am feeling that it's missing but it might address is. We do get more of the origin story of where he's coming from. I like the new change, but he still was changed before this happened, like when he was still captive, he was going to

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MURRAY
free like the other person, like stuff that I don't think that Boba Fett would do, especially because in Mandalorian, when we see him, he's still just as ruthless as the guy that Vader himself has to be. Okay? Please don't disintegrate anyone this time.

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MURRAY
So I think there is a little bit of something missing. But I mean, I loved it like a whole lot. So that was just my take.

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JOSH
No, that's interesting that that could be true. Something I said in the previous episode is that I feel like, you know, this character, I think, is kind of a bit of a blank canvas, even with what we'd seen of him in the previous films.

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JOSH
Because a lot of the stuff people associate with Boba Fett, I think, are from the imaginations of fandom and the impression that he gave off, you know, sort of with a man of very few words, kind of man with no name.

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JOSH
He was very enigmatic and obviously he captured one of the beloved heroes. So he was a bad guy. He was framed as a bad guy, you know? But yes, I take your point.

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JAMES
James, Yeah, I feel like we're we're kind of missing like a moment. Like, I guess the first episode, we don't know how many, how much time he was in the Sarlacc Pit, whether it's hours after Jedi or days like we're kind of missing a moment where maybe he like said, if I get out of this, I will

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JAMES
be a better person or something like we didn't get like his like, like making a promise or something, because as soon as he pops his way out of that Sarlacc Pit, he's a changed man. I feel like we missed something from falling off that barge to escaping the Sarlacc Pit with his mindset.

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MURRAY
I, for me, though, the only thing and maybe I have the timeline messed up is, though, is what we're seeing happens before he bumps into The Mandalorian, right? Right. Yes. one episode and he is like, so vicious in that episode.

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MURRAY
And it might just be. That's how he gets when he fights. And then. But you know, when he's not fighting, he wants to free other prisoners and and all that stuff. But it just seems like. We're getting like a super reformed Boba Fett.

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MURRAY
But the clips of that we see in the previous show that he's in, he's just as ruthless as like Josh was saying of how the fans kind of made him and picture him. So that's that's my only issue.

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JOSH
Well, something that I want to get into. I think so. Yes, I mean, first of all, I think it's clear that he was in a very diminished or weakened state and sort of had to rely on the goodwill of the people who found him these Tusken raiders.

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JOSH
But I was wondering if he may be sees the way the tough skins are treated and kind of makes a connection with how clones were treated. Obviously, he so so I don't know if, like some combination of his diminished state, he doesn't have a choice but to sort of he's sort of at their mercy.

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JOSH
And the fact that he he maybe kind of identifies with their position in the hierarchy of this world. Jon?

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JON
To your point, yeah, I think that's true. Like, I think Boba Fett has a soft spot for the downtrodden people because you see, even in The Mandalorian, he's talking to other Mandalorian and they they're just giving him so much shit for being a clone.

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JOSH
You know, that's true. Yeah, I forgotten that note. No, yeah. But but you're right.

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JON
So he's definitely on the receiving end of some sort of racist culture. But yeah, I agree because I said this in the last episode, too, and I wish I could just see like more of a transition from what we thought was bad Boba Fett to this Boba Fett.

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JON
However, thinking about it now, I think one of the things that we tend to forget is that the Empire was the status quo. So if he's a bounty hunter and he's working for the Empire, he's basically like a freelance bounty hunter working for the U.S. government, you know, or whatever.

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JON
It's like he's just working for who's in charge and if he's giving Vader shit or whatever, it's like, I guess that just speaks to like his ruthlessness for the job and to like as a guy who, like, always oppressed us, maybe he's being a clone or whatever.

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JON
I know they weren't thinking about that back in 1980, but like. But it's just one of those things was like. I could see, for argument's sake, how he always could have just been a dude doing his job compared to like an evil guy doing this job, if that makes any difference.

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JOSH
Not I'd like Murray.

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MURRAY
Yeah, to build on what Jonny was saying about, like his attachment to the job. I think there is something to that because. You know, he makes it his business to find a way to stop this train, which is very kind of like dances with Wolves type thing, right?

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MURRAY
Like he gets captured and then he embraces the culture. And that's very much gives the feeling of when you know, they find all those buffalo in dances with wolves. And except this is like people, but it, you know, they try to justify it later in the episode saying like, Oh no, we thought like it was like preemptive

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MURRAY
. And so it was just like they were attacking. We thought they were going to attack us, so we attacked them. But what I was going to say is he makes that his mission. So when he goes to that bar to get the speeder bikes, he's in that kind of bloodlust type like not like bloodlust, but maybe all

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MURRAY
business. And my business is to get these speeders. And he was never standing in my way is going to get the Boba Fett that you guys know, like happens.

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JOSH
So makes a good point. And that bar, by the way, was the infamous Tashi Station where Luke wanted to get his power converters, and that's why.

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JON
People aren't working from the deleted scene.

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JOSH
Yes, yes, they were Camie and Fixer from the deleted scene from Star Wars. They recreated the set exactly, and they cast actors and clothed them. That looked very similar to the actors who played the the part in the cut scene.

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JOSH
I remember the first time that I saw that scene was on in like 1990. five or six other was a CD-ROM called Behind the Magic. Remember? I remember the CD-ROMs. Yeah, or I guess maybe it was 97 because there was a little featurette about how they made the digital dewback for the Star Wars special edition.

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JOSH
And they also had some cut scenes. And that was the first time that I had ever laid eyes on the the infamous figures and Luke's scene, where he shows up to Tosche Station and Camie and Fixer there. And he's like, Oh man, hey Biggs, you're back from the academy and they have this long scene.

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JOSH
And I remember at the time I was disappointed that they didn't put that back in the special edition. Not understanding that that scene really had no business being in the movie anyway, something I do want to discuss. You touched upon it, Murray with the Dances with Wolves analogy, but we've been kind of skirting around it.

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JOSH
This episode really dealt a lot with Tusken culture and their rituals, their history and their experience on this planet. We learn. It turns out they're the native people of this planet, and they're not a monolithic culture. There are there are many tribes, and it's it's hard not to read it as the experience of of indigenous people in

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JOSH
the real world. I read a tweet from Klaudia Amenabar. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly or not. Who said "what was Boba Fett doing after the defeat of the Empire? Fighting for indigenous sovereignty. Next question." And there was another tweet from Pokémon Nurse Meg.

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JOSH
She said. She said as an indigenous person, this episode brought me tearing up out of happiness, and it's important to remember why. And she wrote a little note. She said, OK, wow, I did not expect this episode to make me as emotional as it has as an indigenous person watching the show.

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JOSH
I'm filled with so much excitement and pride to have such an amazing indigenous actor as to more to be a part of Star Wars. He's so openly incorporates Maori culture into Bova, which is which in a huge franchise like Star Wars is so important.

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JOSH
But this episode Chapter two, the indigenous man helping the once thought savages who hide in the desert because of colonial threat and misunderstanding the man who goes out of his way to show the compassion of these people. An entire episode, literally for showing how multiple tribes exist, and that they are a people with a vast ancestry, knowledge

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JOSH
and traditions all ending with that beautiful drum number that made me start to tear up. Because all I could think of was of drums at the powwow and my dad playing the flute and dancing together and episode showing through kindness and patience that the savage eyed and quotes the savage indigenous people of this planet are worthy, beautiful

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JOSH
and deep peoples. This episode made me cry and filled my chest with so much happiness. This really is monumental, and I just can't express how much happiness this gives me. I adore this show, and I'm only more excited for where tomorrow will take the character next and.

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JOSH
Yeah, and something you were saying. Murray dances with Wolves, which I think gets into a little a little bit of the white savior trope. And I know Mickey, who was supposed to be joining us but wasn't able to.

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JOSH
He mentioned that he wanted to talk about the the use of sort of the riff of the white savior trope in this episode. But the interesting thing, though, about that is that the way that that person mentioned Boba Fett is not white, he's he's played by an indigenous actor.

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JOSH
So, so, so that means that he's not a white savior.

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JON
You're talking about that. And I I always like moments, small moments that show what a true like, true moments for characters that tell you a lot about them. And I feel like it was played like a like a comedy moment.

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JON
But in the scene where they give him the lizard, he's like, Oh, a lizard. And then it crawls up his nose instinctively instead of him freaking out or getting angry or whatever. He just says, I'm sorry. I think I accidentally ate it like so like, he's still in the midst of all this, trying to be very respectful

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JON
to a culture he doesn't understand. And I think that small moment says a whole lot about Boba Fett and his take on dealing with other cultures are used to his own, which I thought was just really cool. But they put.

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JOSH
It, No, absolutely, Murray.

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MURRAY
I really like that. And as soon as you started? Go in that direction, like I picture that scene as I knew exactly where you're going with this because it's very telling and there's the the my original point that I was going to say is going off of that article that you were reading when they're talking about like

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MURRAY
the quote unquote savages and stuff like that. And it's an interesting dynamic that they only know. I'm not talking about the heist, but they only shoot at the train originally because every time the train passes, it like starts shooting at them.

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MURRAY
And so it's like whereas we see that they are not quote unquote like savages or anything like that, like they're almost like pushed to come across that way because they are defending themselves. But if you're the person on the train, you're not seeing them as defending themselves.

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MURRAY
You're seeing like, Oh, see, they were going to attack us, but we beat them to the punch. They don't see that everybody runs, except for the few soldiers that come to to hopefully not get killed. And they're they're trying to get there.

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MURRAY
Those Panthers, right? They're trying to get them out of out of harm's way because they know it's just just like a ton of is coming. Every time this train goes to the extent that it only passes the one time and Boba Fett like he could like.

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MURRAY
I guess when you guys are saying like, you could see how they're treated just in that one passing of the train and he's instantly like, I'm going to I'm going to stop that train. Like, almost like, I don't know how, but I promise you, like, I'm stopping that train.

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MURRAY
And I think that's like, awesome.

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JOSH
So it's really interesting, too, about the way the tough skins are regarded as that this is really in dialog with the films themselves, because in the original trilogy, Luke talks about the sand people and how there are these raids on Uncle Owen's farm and blah blah blah.

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JOSH
In The Phantom Menace, during the Padres, they're just taking potshots at the pod racers. I don't know if you recall that, but now it turns out they're actually defending themselves because this is their planet and these people are our colonizers, essentially.

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JOSH
And the other interesting thing is that it really reminds me of the scene in Attack of the Clones, when Anakin slaughters the Tusken, which was a, I believe was an intentional homage on George Lucas's part to The Searchers, that whole thing where they had kidnaped his mother and etc., etc. And you know, he talks about them.

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JOSH
They're animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. And the movie is is riffing on the searchers. But it's clear, like we're meant to think that what Anakin did was not a good thing. It's just a sign that he's ready to go down.

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JOSH
Yeah, he's really going bad. But I think that this it sort of casts the way they are portrayed and regarded by characters we are meant to think of as heroes in a whole different light. They they they have been ignored and they have been pushed out of their own homeland.

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JAMES
James Yeah. I mean, I was just going to say, like, I think this is like, you know, Star Wars is sometimes like you argue, whether it's science fiction or not or science fantasy. But this is like a true science fiction moment.

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JAMES
This is the job of science fiction, is to reflect the problems and sins of our own world to us in a way that's allegorical. And so this is like the most science fiction I think Star Trek has ever been by showing us the range of Tusken people and culture and Boba Fett as an indigenous person and changing

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JAMES
the myths and mythologies and perceptions of it to reflect like things that we have missed or disregard or don't think enough about in our current society. So it's it's like a big moment, I think 100%.

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JOSH
100% in the more I thought about it, the more I was really kind of stunned at the significance of what this episode has done. I want to read a tweet from Elizabeth Sandifer, who I will probably be quoting on this show a lot because she's one of my favorite commentators and writers.

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JOSH
And this is actually something that she said about The Matrix Resurrections, which is a topic for a whole other podcast. But I think it's appropriate for for what we're talking about here. I think everyone should go see it.

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JOSH
By the way, I think it's definitely worth a watch. So she said this about the matrix resurrections to offer the trolling but accurate. Take the first post Last Jedi franchise blockbuster, taking apart the iconography and asking what it had been versus what it could be.

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JOSH
Right. And I think that's what's happening here with the Book of Boba Fett that what this is and in my opinion, The Last Jedi as well. It's engaging with the world and the issues we're dealing with now and using familiar iconography to do it.

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JOSH
That's how you keep Star Wars vital and alive and and relevant. And I think some fans, they either don't realize or they don't want these stories to actually engage with the real world in any meaningful sort of way, and they just would rather it regurgitate the same kinds of stories over and over again.

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JOSH
But. That's not what this is. That is not what George Lucas had in mind. He was trying to say something meaningful about the real world and and use these films to do it. So I think whenever something like The Last Jedi or this episode quote unquote subverts expectations or shows you something that you thought you knew and

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JOSH
and kind of paints it in a new light, I think that it becomes it becomes divisive, and I lie in the camp that says, no, that's exactly what it should. It should be doing for it to be good and and worthwhile.

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JOSH
But I know that that's not an opinion that everyone shares in that. There are also multiple ways to go about it. Jon?

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JON
Well, first, I think everything is political and there's no way to avoid it. Even the choice to try not to be political is a political choice in a weird way. But I also think that a lot of the same fans that are saying that they don't want Star Wars to be political or it's too this or too

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JON
that we're too young to comprehend that the original trilogy were framing the empire like Nazis and all that and like, no, I mean, you know, no, you're right, you were far away from 1977, you know, so it's just like people forget that like back then, adults were like, Oh, those are Nazis.

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JON
When there are watching Star Wars, you know that there are there's normal things. There were political overtones even back then, but they just weren't aware of it because there were four years old when they saw Star Wars and they were thinking of it.

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JON
Now as adults, we think about it. So, you know, it just makes them feel uncomfortable. I guess I don't know.

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JOSH
No. Yeah, I think the politics that are that underlie the original trilogy and the prequel films were sort of they were baked into the cake already. So, you know, you just sort of accept it. So the idea that anyone else would use Star Wars to, I mean, I wouldn't say to make a political message, but I would

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JOSH
say to engage with the real world in a meaningful way, which which to some people, I guess, means making something.

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JON
Well, also with with the prequels, too, it's all about The Clone Wars, which is a war drummed up by these politicians over what and it's like that was during the, you know, the second era of the.

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JOSH
War on terror. Right?

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JON
The war on terror Iraq, where it was happening at the same time. So people were asking the same questions about George W Bush as a party and was asking about the Senate in the war on terror. People back then were like, yet again, there were ten years old in there watching it, and they weren't thinking about these

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JON
things, you know? So as a college student, I was like, This is just like today a little bit. Yeah.

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JOSH
Murray.

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MURRAY
What it's it seems like is, you know, like there's that saying, like if you're looking for a yellow car, you're going to find a yellow car all over the place. And that's kind of what's happening that especially these days, you know, like political stuff like you guys are saying, are all in everything now that's all people are

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MURRAY
seeing like and if it's there or not, they will see it. I remember somebody that was telling me that they didn't like the where the wild things are move the where the wild things are. The movie that Spike Jones said because it was like Obama propaganda was like, Oh.

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What? Like what?

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MURRAY
And that was just like. But it's like, that's clearly what they what it was like on their mind and like what they were looking sure. And then we see that all with Star Wars or anything that you do that is not status quo.

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MURRAY
Like if you make a person of color a main character, everyone gets upset because apparently they just wanted all white people except for like Lando in the galaxy or give or like if. But you know, they only see Princess Leia as a damsel in distress.

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MURRAY
And any time there's a female character that is not that, then it's like, Oh great, here comes the Mary Sue to come to like everything. And it's just it's it said something about the show in which the the main character, even when he's captured.

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MURRAY
At no point is he like slandering or like being like, Oh, you guys are a bunch of, you know, like normally in Dances with Wolves and Avatar and Last Samurai, there's always that like they have to be, not they have to, like, get over their hatred.

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MURRAY
But he never seems to have that, which I think that's a good point. Kind of cool, too.

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JOSH
Mm hmm. So that's a very good point. Yeah. You know, I think that for some fans, they regard new Star Wars shows and and movies as delivery mechanisms for new law to put on Wikipedia. Right. And not stories that are actually trying to say something relevant and and and be challenging, not for the sake of it, but

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JOSH
because that's what stories are. That's what makes them good. They they make us think about the world we live in and reflect on ourselves in our lives. And Star Wars is escapism. But. It is made from and inspired by real things in our real world.

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JOSH
James.

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JAMES
Yeah, but you know, the change is the only way Star Wars will survive.

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JOSH
Absolutely.

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JAMES
Like, as much as I love, I really enjoy The Force Awakens and the next two. Well, we've had a lot of debates over lunch about the ones after The Force Awakens. But yeah.

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JOSH
I don't want to turn this into a sequel trilogy discussion.

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JAMES
I'll just say, like, you know, that was nostalgia candy, which we said, like some of the first episode of Boba Fett was, but that that is not going to feel of a series or saga to go forward over time.

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JAMES
If you just feed into the stuff like the MCU, stuff is amazing and they give me nostalgia candy. But they also change enough stuff and have endings and beginnings for characters that keeps me going. And the same thing has to be for anything Star Wars going now because, you know, we got the nostalgia kind of candy with

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JAMES
, you know, with the last trilogy, and that really didn't seem to satisfy all the base. In fact, it divided most of us. So with with these shows and series, they they need to they need to go somewhere new and different and show what Star Wars can be in a galaxy and a galaxy far, far away.

00;25;08;05 - 00;25;12;15
JAMES
Not just like this one. one family. one planet. one thing that we know the whole time.

00;25;12;24 - 00;25;13;12
JON
Exactly.

00;25;14;16 - 00;25;36;06
MURRAY
Murray. Oh, it's like in the same sense, I'm finding that I don't know if this is a personal take on a fight like where my mind is at, if I'm kind of like nostalgic out because like when I'm starting to see kind of that like fan candy, like I'll see there's like now, like twin huts.

00;25;36;06 - 00;25;54;04
MURRAY
And then there's clearly like, like a gladiator wookie. My first impression is like, like, come on, like there's more creatures and people on this in this galaxy. But then it's like, I have to catch myself being like, Well, no, like, Chewbacca wasn't the only Wookie in the whole galaxy.

00;25;54;05 - 00;26;13;20
MURRAY
Of course, you're going to run into other ones. And like Jabba the Hutt, wasn't the one lone last, the last of the Mohicans of huts, you know? And so it's like I find myself having to like, instantly turn off my skepticism because it will happen like right away whenever I see something that is, I feel like played

00;26;13;20 - 00;26;19;07
MURRAY
for nostalgia. But then sometimes I'm like, Oh, I'm just projecting my own annoyance onto the stuff.

00;26;20;10 - 00;26;32;09
JOSH
Yeah, well, also, like you said, those two examples in particular. I mean, first of all, I believe both the Hutt twins and that particular Wookie assassin, I believe, are established expanded universe.

00;26;32;15 - 00;26;32;27
JAMES
Yes.

00;26;33;22 - 00;26;54;03
JOSH
Characters. So there's that. But then I mean, again, I mean, like you say, like there's a kind of a verisimilitude here where, yeah, Jabba had relatives and they would show up when he died, right? And that there would be another Wookiee who who looks nothing like Chewbacca, like he looks like a grizzled old scary fucker, you know

00;26;54;03 - 00;26;54;11
JOSH
, looks.

00;26;54;11 - 00;26;54;24
MURRAY
Like he's going to.

00;26;54;24 - 00;27;01;23
JOSH
Be awesome. Yeah. Yeah. He he, I believe, is a bounty hunter who who used to work for job. I think I may be getting that wrong. Jon?

00;27;01;23 - 00;27;02;20
MURRAY
I'm excited to see that.

00;27;03;10 - 00;27;25;08
JON
Specifically on that when they showed up. I lo because it brought back the nostalgia, I guess, of like, Oh, this is the weird, kooky alien shit, specifically when that Wookie showed up. I have a vague memory of like because I go to geek websites and sometimes when something big pops up in a Star Wars

00;27;25;08 - 00;27;40;15
JON
comic, they'll just like, have a little report on it. Like, this happened. And I recognize that guy from the internet, but I don't know where he was from. And I thought that was a good way to introduce a known, I guess, comic character without making a big deal out of it.

00;27;40;15 - 00;27;42;02
JON
And I think, yeah, I think those.

00;27;42;02 - 00;27;43;01
JOSH
Who know well know.

00;27;43;16 - 00;28;01;26
JON
Yeah, he did like, Oh, fuck, that's that's like Martin, the Wookiee who's like this badass bounty hunter. There was like, he's just there and he's like, Don't say anything to him. He just shows up. And on top of that, I thought it worked on the filmmaking perspective because he was like the biggest, most intimidating Wookie I've ever

00;28;01;26 - 00;28;11;19
JON
seen. You know, like when he yeah. And it's like, it's like, Yo, this guy looks like a scary nine foot werewolf and like. And yeah, it was like, this guy is going to be a menace to flight and later on.

00;28;11;25 - 00;28;15;18
JON
I don't care if he's in the comic book or not, that's he will rip away to show him.

00;28;15;26 - 00;28;16;20
MURRAY
The same force.

00;28;16;27 - 00;28;22;05
JOSH
He he will rip your arms out of your sockets and then reattach them just to rip them off again.

00;28;22;12 - 00;28;23;26
JON
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I.

00;28;23;26 - 00;28;26;14
MURRAY
Will rip your ass off if you beat up your ass. Yeah, yeah.

00;28;26;14 - 00;28;28;11
JON
That's a cool way to go about it, you know.

00;28;28;16 - 00;28;28;29
JOSH
James?

00;28;29;07 - 00;28;47;05
JAMES
Yeah, it was just an add on the the characters from the Marvel like Star Wars comics. They like the first run after a New Hope. He's he's in there and they have like this journal of Obi-Wan that Luke's reading and he and Obi-Wan tussled because he tried to, I think, kidnapers solo when that Wookie and him and

00;28;47;05 - 00;28;53;02
JAMES
Obi-Wan had had a fight over. So he stays in the doctor for a series and the Darth Vader series as a bounty.

00;28;53;09 - 00;28;53;24
JOSH
Okay.

00;28;53;27 - 00;28;57;13
JAMES
Well, I think those comics are canon, so they're really good stories. They are.

00;28;58;02 - 00;29;08;07
JOSH
They are. No. Yeah, the Vader, the Vader Marvel series I read and I loved it and I read some of the doctor afra stuff. But I I kind of dropped it, but I should. I should get into it because I keep hearing amazing things about it.

00;29;08;08 - 00;29;25;04
JOSH
Well, that's interesting. Maybe that character that Wookie will show up in the Obi-Wan series are be cool to see Ewan McGregor fighting a huge, hulking, scary Wookie. I mean, I mean, I recall I got some solo vibes from the train heist in a good way.

00;29;25;13 - 00;29;37;16
JOSH
Mm hmm. I just want to come out and say, I really like solo a lot like I'm not one of those who doesn't like Solo, and that actually made me think. Now here's some speculation. So if you don't want to be spoiled, I mean, it's not a spoiler.

00;29;37;16 - 00;29;55;04
JOSH
I don't I don't know anything, but I think that the bad guy or the antagonist or whoever is trying to get fat, I think is going to be revealed to be the Crimson Dawn crime syndicate. And I'm pretty sure, you know, we were talking last week about like, are they going to have a cameo, a fan cameo

00;29;55;04 - 00;30;13;13
JOSH
? I wouldn't be surprised if it's Kiera from Solo as the the mastermind of this mob war between Crimson Dawn and this crime empire that Boba Fett has inherited from Jabba the Hutt. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where this is going.

00;30;14;06 - 00;30;27;29
JON
Yeah, I think that's basically a guarantee. I mean, like they introduced Crimson Dawn, they didn't do much with it. They had this big set up with Kira becoming the main boss and then solo ended and then they kind of regrouped and rethought their next approach.

00;30;27;29 - 00;30;45;21
JON
But talking about the train heist yet again as a filmmaking perspective, they did this really cool thing that I loved, and it made me laugh out loud in a good way. But when that female Tusken raider that type Boba Fett had a fight when she infiltrates the train and you just see people getting pulled under?

00;30;46;21 - 00;30;47;18
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah, like, I.

00;30;47;18 - 00;30;55;06
JON
Thought that was brilliant. I was like, That's the perfect way to get around crazy fight choreography and just show that she's a menace.

00;30;55;14 - 00;31;01;25
JOSH
And and it's even better. It's even better. It's like, it's like India. It's like Indiana Jones shooting the swordsman. It's even better.

00;31;01;25 - 00;31;14;06
JON
Exactly. And I guess in Miami, that's a good point. It reminded me of Indiana Jones. Like Raiders. I'm sorry, last crusade when he's on a train going about his business and as River Phenix and. But yeah, I just love it.

00;31;14;06 - 00;31;26;01
JON
I just thought that was like, That's a perfect way to go about, like showing her menace to these people and still. Laugh with it, because it's still almost like a fun ride to go with almost like lightheartedness and Star Wars, you know?

00;31;26;04 - 00;31;26;15
JOSH
Right?

00;31;29;00 - 00;31;44;15
MURRAY
And the fact and this is like, I hate that this is such like a big plus because too many people are doing it now. They didn't kill that character needlessly for no reason, which it was kind of I was nervous was going to happen because that just seems like.

00;31;45;04 - 00;31;57;21
MURRAY
I mean, that's kind of Star Wars has been guilty of that in the past when they go the best guy in all the prequels, he's not even going to last past the first movie. But like, so I was like, super excited about that.

00;31;57;21 - 00;32;15;03
MURRAY
And then what I liked about the train heist was that when they're questioning the fish, people like when they're like, Are you going to kill us? And he's like, Well, it depends, are you, I guess, running spice for whatever crime syndicate?

00;32;15;04 - 00;32;28;01
MURRAY
Like, that's I guess how he knew to tell if if they were just some sort of weird convoy or if they were actually kind of like working for some sort of gangster or a crime syndicate was if they're going to find that.

00;32;28;17 - 00;32;46;22
JOSH
Exactly which again, which again reminded me of Solo, where we actually see Cassel and the Spice Mind. one thing I wanted to note I thought the whole lizard induced spiritual journey that Boba Fett went on, where he had to retrieve the branch from the stick I thought was really cool that we learned today.

00;32;46;22 - 00;33;07;05
JOSH
We used to be covered in water and the oceans had dried up. I thought that was a really cool thing about I thought it was really cool seeing this ritual of how they make their gaff sticks. And it, you know, retroactively makes how he shows up in at the end of season two of The Mandalorian that much

00;33;07;05 - 00;33;20;17
JOSH
cooler, because now we know he's he's a full Tusken raider. He went through the shit that's where he got. He didn't steal that gas deck from some Tusken he tussled with. He earned it. He made it like he.

00;33;20;18 - 00;33;32;04
JOSH
I mean, that's his and that's where the ropes come from. I thought that was very, very cool. So that's more or less what I wanted to cover. Does anyone else have any thoughts, anything and any bits and bobs, James?

00;33;32;29 - 00;33;40;06
JAMES
I just want to go back to the bar scene and maybe I didn't comment on before, but made me think of the opening of Terminator two, the way he took care of those guys.

00;33;40;26 - 00;33;46;27
JOSH
Totally. And especially with the bikes. Yes. No. No, totally. And with, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

00;33;47;05 - 00;33;55;05
MURRAY
What that reminded me of was the the introduction scene in Once Upon a Time in the West, except at.

00;33;55;09 - 00;33;55;23
JOSH
The.

00;33;55;25 - 00;34;14;19
MURRAY
Bar because it had. But of course, it is more Terminator, and I didn't think about the speeder bikes, but just everybody sizing each other up. And like I, I would have not liked it in hindsight. But like if he said something similar to like that referenced in Once Upon a Time in the West.

00;34;14;19 - 00;34;19;13
MURRAY
Like, how like, oh, you brought like, you know, three too many bikes or something, you know?

00;34;20;00 - 00;34;20;27
JOSH
Yeah, yeah. Right?

00;34;20;29 - 00;34;24;14
MURRAY
It wound it like it would have been like, Oh shit, that's cool moment.

00;34;24;14 - 00;34;25;22
JOSH
And it's too on the nose.

00;34;26;04 - 00;34;27;22
MURRAY
Yeah, yeah, that was stupid.

00;34;27;22 - 00;34;43;07
JOSH
But no, yeah. But I can't believe I didn't see the Once Upon a Time in the West connection. It's funny, like you're both right, the Terminator connection and the Once Upon a Time in the West. So much that didn't occur to me until my second viewing, because the first viewing I was just like, It's torture station.

00;34;43;07 - 00;34;43;20
JOSH
It's torture.

00;34;43;20 - 00;34;44;27
[[MULTIPLE]]
Stations decision.

00;34;45;21 - 00;34;55;14
JOSH
So. So it shows you the film fan in me and the Star Wars fan in me. Like, you're always sort of fighting for dominance and in that and that in that instance, the Star Wars nerd one.

00;34;55;28 - 00;34;56;12
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah.

00;34;56;20 - 00;35;13;10
JON
Like first, first Instinct is always a Star Wars reaction and then becomes, Yeah, but I think exactly, I think it's really a stew that you guys brought those two movies up because that I think subconsciously is a good example of what Boba Fett is as a character.

00;35;13;21 - 00;35;29;14
JON
You know, Charles Bronson, the ultimate fuckin tough, silent gunslinger. And then you have the Terminator. And when either of those guys show up on the scene, you're fucked. And so like, Boba Fett is like that guy in the Star Wars universe.

00;35;29;16 - 00;35;48;11
JON
When Boba Fett walks into a room, you hear a pin drop and you're like, Oh, no, like, why is he here? What's going to happen? And that scene still, I think on some subconscious film level is telling the audience he's still that Boba Fett, that you knew him as in The Empire Strikes Back.

00;35;48;11 - 00;35;58;15
JON
He's still that guy. Maybe not in the way that you thought he was, but he is that guy. So like, you know, happened in The Mandalorian, too, like when you showed up and were like, Oh shit, you know?

00;35;58;29 - 00;36;21;21
MURRAY
So what are your guys thoughts on if there are multiple like gangs and whatever the mayor and all that stuff that they might take, like a Yojimbo like man, you know, name type thing in which he retains his power when he's kind of like outmanned by having them just like fight each other.

00;36;22;14 - 00;36;24;04
JON
Working both sides? Yeah.

00;36;24;12 - 00;36;24;19
JAMES
Yeah.

00;36;25;05 - 00;36;31;22
JON
No. Yeah, that could be. It's very possible. Well, because they always go to the Kurosawa films and the samurai films in the Western, so.

00;36;32;07 - 00;36;46;08
JOSH
Korea, which again, which I think we've mentioned before, and I think if you're going to make new Star Wars, that's what you got to do. Like, you have to go not make movies that look like Star Wars, but go to what influenced the original Star Wars and draw more from that.

00;36;46;24 - 00;36;54;27
JOSH
Making sure that you're not, you're not unintentionally also porting over the racist stereotypes that may have been present in them.

00;36;55;08 - 00;36;57;03
MURRAY
Well, whatever do you mean?

00;37;01;05 - 00;37;11;28
JAMES
I mean, I've I almost feel I also feel like just based on our conversation here and to more like, I mean, he's Boba Fett, like he's this is almost Boba Fett.

00;37;11;28 - 00;37;12;23
JON
In my mind now.

00;37;12;23 - 00;37;18;09
JAMES
Like, I still am holding on to our Empire Jedi version of Boba Fett. It's interesting. I feel.

00;37;18;19 - 00;37;19;25
JON
I feel like we need.

00;37;20;04 - 00;37;28;27
JAMES
Maybe in the middle of this in the future season. We need that time where he became Boba Fett, like in the original suit. Like when we saw him in the flashbacks when he was getting the sick, I'm like, OK, guys.

00;37;28;27 - 00;37;41;25
JAMES
But like now, I can make the connection between the two like versions of this guy because I got to see him like even briefly in the old outfit as Boba Fett appeared, and I feel like I need that little bit of backstory.

00;37;41;26 - 00;37;53;12
JAMES
Maybe we'll never get it, and I'll just have to resolve it in my head. But I need his evolution to becoming like the most ruthless man in the galaxy and who sort of resigned himself to bounty hunting until we find him here.

00;37;53;12 - 00;37;56;24
JAMES
Like saying, Nope, I'm going to help indigenous people now. This is this is my call.

00;37;56;25 - 00;37;57;23
MURRAY
Well, well, well.

00;37;57;23 - 00;38;13;22
JOSH
But but but I don't know that those two things are contradictory. Like sort of like Jon was saying before, if you think about an indigenous person now who lives in either the U.S. or New Zealand or anywhere in the world, they kind of don't have a choice but to.

00;38;13;23 - 00;38;30;23
JOSH
And I don't want to speak for indigenous peoples. I don't want to be so presumptuous. But it makes sense to me that Boba Fett went under the oppressive heel of the Empire would would have to be ruthless to survive like they killed all the clones like he's he's on his own and he's at the mercy of the

00;38;30;23 - 00;38;54;07
JOSH
empire. And he he needs to he needs to to be that. And I think that I don't know that what we're seeing for him necessarily contradicts anything that we've seen. But I take your point, though, that just for that psychological continuity, it's like, it's like, you know, I still have trouble imagining Hayden Christiansen under the mask of

00;38;54;07 - 00;39;05;17
JOSH
Darth Vader in the original trilogy. Like it, just I mean, there's just, you know, something that it's not a connection it isn't making. Hopefully that will be changed in the Obi-Wan series that is coming up.

00;39;05;17 - 00;39;12;16
JON
But at least that's easier because they seem like two distinct characters Darth Vader and Anika. And compared to Boba Fett, which is like, we never knew anything yet.

00;39;12;19 - 00;39;15;15
JOSH
Very distinct. Some might even say completely different characters.

00;39;15;27 - 00;39;16;06
JON
Yes.

00;39;17;21 - 00;39;18;00
[[MULTIPLE]]
Murray.

00;39;18;16 - 00;39;41;05
MURRAY
And it's really only this conversation that got me thinking, and I think it was maybe Jonny that said something originally about it's like, I guess we're under we have that image of Boba Fett in our mind that he's like this ruthless, you know, whatever, because of basically one line that Vader says, Well, we don't know the circumstances

00;39;41;05 - 00;39;54;03
MURRAY
of what led to descent. He just said no disintegration this time. I think that's the line, right? So we're kind of thinking like, Oh, he just disintegrates everybody, and he just wants to. But like, we don't know, maybe this.

00;39;55;01 - 00;40;07;23
MURRAY
I mean, I obviously know I hear you episode somebody said, how reckons not actually a bad word as we use it, but like, of course, that character had no backstory right at all. It was just a cool looking guy with.

00;40;08;08 - 00;40;26;15
MURRAY
So they gave him a cool line and we kind of like filled in the rest, like, very like Hemingway iceberg, right? So that's like what we're projecting onto him. But like, maybe he's not as ruthless unless unless the situation calls for it, like if he's fighting for his life, he's not going to pull his punches or, you

00;40;26;15 - 00;40;34;13
MURRAY
know, if it was dead or alive and the guys giving him grief, he's just going to disintegrate them and get paid because that's all he really cares about.

00;40;34;25 - 00;40;44;18
JOSH
Or maybe the bounty was a piece of shit who was abusing the his staff, and he didn't like it. So he was like, Nah, man, fuck it, I'm going to kill this guy. And and Vader was unhappy about it.

00;40;44;28 - 00;40;57;02
JOSH
But he he has his own code and he was like, No, I'm I'm going to disintegrate this motherfucker because he I don't want his atoms. I don't want I don't want those atoms in this particular arrangement in my galaxy.

00;41;00;29 - 00;41;13;20
JAMES
Yeah, and that's all that's all fair. I mean, I guess in my mind, I we never see like he could be working for the Empire to to pay for his ability to help other people. And he's like a good, you know, he's a.

00;41;14;03 - 00;41;14;23
[[MULTIPLE]]
Hero of.

00;41;15;29 - 00;41;31;27
JAMES
The slave. one is hearing like, yes, they're were saved. Like, we don't know what he's doing outside of. Like when you said carbon freezing Han Solo. So I mean, I think they obviously The Mandalorian still like them. But if he's like, if he's a freedom fighter as we see him now, like Mandalore was under siege this whole

00;41;31;27 - 00;41;35;21
JAMES
time, I don't know if he's spending time there helping his people or has no allegiance to.

00;41;35;21 - 00;41;48;08
JON
His people, but they also treat him like shit in The Mandalorian. So why would he help them out? He probably has more of a I think he has more of a family lineage to his father and his way than he does to like the planet.

00;41;48;08 - 00;41;49;05
JON
And this is so there's.

00;41;49;20 - 00;42;03;26
MURRAY
And that's got like a lot of religious aspects to it. To right is like a self-righteousness with some of the Mandalorians and like looking down on somebody like that's maybe of a different sect or different belief system in the same thing.

00;42;03;26 - 00;42;20;21
MURRAY
So there's that on top of like a racist vibe because he is a clone. And so, yeah, so maybe it is one of those things I don't know, maybe Jonny or Josh that are like, where it's like, Why would I help you guys like, you know, we like we're almost like wanting Boba Fett to be the bigger

00;42;20;21 - 00;42;29;26
MURRAY
person, but he is also someone that disintegrates people. So it's like, why would he help people that or who are treating him in such a way and all that?

00;42;29;26 - 00;42;44;18
JAMES
So yeah, I mean, I mean, the point is taken. I mean, I just I know from like the way they ended with rebels. They're also obviously many families of Mandalorians as well. So I wonder if there is a lineage of his father that's still left on that like planet.

00;42;45;12 - 00;42;54;24
JOSH
You bring up something that has never really been dealt with definitively. But do we know that Jango Fett was a Mandalorian?

00;42;56;10 - 00;43;12;11
JON
There's a chain code in The Mandalorian season, right? But so they he shows like his own personal lineage, the armor and Jango Fett. So I think Oh, so OK. So I think that kind of shows that he was actually a Mandalorian, but he took off in his own way.

00;43;12;19 - 00;43;29;25
JOSH
Yeah, well, well, yeah. And he allowed himself to become the template for the Clone Army and right, literally the face of The Clone Wars. So, so, so I could see why he is. I guess his society would maybe not be so thrilled about that.

00;43;30;19 - 00;43;31;05
[[MULTIPLE]]
Yeah, they.

00;43;31;16 - 00;43;32;28
MURRAY
Make him like an outcast.

00;43;33;13 - 00;43;33;25
JOSH
Yeah.

00;43;34;10 - 00;43;49;15
JON
Yeah, yeah. Oh, 11 small thing that I know that's going back to the details of the show. When they first show Boba Fett's armor in The Mandalorian, it's all fucked up and and the paints all chipped from the Sarlacc.

00;43;49;15 - 00;44;00;20
JON
And then when he gets it, he puts a brand new paint, brand new coat of paint on it and look really flat and kind of boring. And I was like, Oh, it's a cool detail. Like he he like, fixed it up.

00;44;00;20 - 00;44;04;26
JON
And now I notice on this show he's slowly getting more scratches, and.

00;44;05;01 - 00;44;05;22
JOSH
I noticed that.

00;44;05;26 - 00;44;19;04
JON
And scuffs on it. And I was like, Yes, like this. It's the little details of like, he's had the armor now for a little bit longer and he's seen some shit. He seems a little scuffed up again, just like the way it used to be and like, I'm sure by the end of the season or next season

00;44;19;04 - 00;44;29;22
JON
or whatever, it's going to look even dirtier and maybe he'll change your colors again. But like I thought, it was a cool detail that he has to maintain the look. You know, like a car or something like that.

00;44;30;02 - 00;44;43;14
MURRAY
I mean, I like details like that, 'cause some details take me right out of it, like the the two henchmen, they just look like guys wearing pig faces like, that's all they look like. You know, they look clearly painted green and stuff like that.

00;44;43;14 - 00;44;54;08
MURRAY
So sometimes I am taken out of it. But I like details like that show like, no, like, we still care. Maybe these characters miss here or there, but like, we still actually care. Yeah.

00;44;54;08 - 00;45;07;24
JOSH
Well, to be fair, though. Well, to be fair, though, that's a design they inherited from from from legacy 1983. Yeah. And I mean, there's only so many ways I think you can do green skinned alien with a pig face.

00;45;07;29 - 00;45;09;11
[[MULTIPLE]]
And you know.

00;45;10;10 - 00;45;15;00
JOSH
I mean. I mean, I'll give them that one. OK. Closing thoughts on episode two.

00;45;15;04 - 00;45;32;13
JON
I loved it. They're bringing the magic of Star Wars back to it while still making it new. Not entirely sure where the show is going to go besides, just like your standard. Like, he's going to have troubles with certain criminal organizations, but there's plenty of potential of taking a left turn at some point.

00;45;33;19 - 00;45;46;18
JON
Yeah, I'm really I'm a much more into the show with this episode as compared to the first episode. The first one I was like, Yeah, this is good. You know, maybe if I miss a couple of episodes and then like, come back to it later, I'll be fine.

00;45;46;18 - 00;45;50;13
JON
But now with this episode, it's like, I want to watch it every week. I want to see what happens.

00;45;51;06 - 00;45;53;03
JOSH
Yeah. James closing thoughts.

00;45;53;07 - 00;46;08;14
JAMES
Yeah, I think this this episode definitely gave us more direction and more backstory to why he is the way he. Is I'm I'm assuming, based on the time of the Tusken raiders and his taking over of Java's, there must that must converge somehow.

00;46;08;24 - 00;46;19;01
JAMES
I feel like this like you just didn't just ditch the Tusken raiders, so they must be playing or they have a plan or he has a plan for them. So I'm curious to see how that's all going to play out in the season.

00;46;20;19 - 00;46;21;24
JOSH
And Murray, closing thoughts.

00;46;22;18 - 00;46;33;17
MURRAY
I really liked it, but like Jon said, I was after the first episode, I was kind of treating it like, say, like Hawkeye. No offense. I'm sure it's great, but it's like, I'm like, Yeah, I'll get around to finishing it.

00;46;33;17 - 00;46;45;01
MURRAY
I saw like two episodes and it's like, it's not making me like, come back to it, whereas this actually got me excited again. I'm notoriously wrong with Star Wars shows where I'm just like, I'm sure I'll be OK.

00;46;45;11 - 00;46;57;22
MURRAY
And then I'm like, Oh my God, The Mandalorian was the greatest thing I've ever seen. And so me being a little bit hesitant and skeptical probably means it's going to be awesome. And I, me and my wife loved the Tusken raiders.

00;46;57;22 - 00;47;12;23
MURRAY
Like, it's like the number one Star Wars joke we do. Besides saying, like, where could he be? Is when we just go ahead? And so which? Yeah, I love the fact that the show is called Trash Compactor because we reference that scene all the time.

00;47;16;07 - 00;47;20;01
JOSH
Well, on that note, oh, by the way, Murray, do you know what kind of droid you want to be?

00;47;21;01 - 00;47;38;25
MURRAY
I do, and it's it's tough for me to say because maybe this is a heartache that people will hate. But like C-3PO is like my least favorite character in all Star Wars. I think he's like, incredible going. I know, OK, but but being a protocol droid like, I'm so jealous of anyone that could speak multiple languages.

00;47;39;04 - 00;47;53;18
MURRAY
And so the fact that he could speak like every language there is, you're saying like, that's I would absolutely love that. But yeah, I would love to not like, I mean, besides that, he's incredibly useless and annoying. But hey, that's just me, guys, OK?

00;47;54;28 - 00;47;59;10
MURRAY
Hashtag superPi. The final three piece? No.

00;47;59;17 - 00;48;02;21
JOSH
The first trash take from the trash compactor. I've been waiting.

00;48;03;00 - 00;48;03;21
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And waiting for that.

00;48;04;08 - 00;48;05;03
MURRAY
But leave it to me.

00;48;05;14 - 00;48;17;23
JOSH
I think we got into some, some good discussions here. And like you said, I'm really excited to see what the next few episodes have in store for us. And that's all for us this week. I'm not going to fuck this ending up like I did last week.

00;48;19;15 - 00;48;20;20
JOSH
Good night, everybody. See you next week.